Polish soldier killed in Afghan war

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Sep 27, 10, 19:18 #1

"A US-led Polish soldier has been killed in a roadside bomb blast in eastern Afghanistan, amid an increase in the number of such incidents in the country.

The latest death, which occurred in Ghazni Province, brings to 21 the number of polish troops killed in Afghanistan.

Warsaw has some 2,600 troops serving in the war-ravaged country.

At least 537 US-led NATO troops have lost their lives in Afghanistan so far this year, making 2010 the deadliest year for NATO since the war began nine years ago."

when Poland will get out of the war, everyone knows that United States are protecting drugs in Afghanistan but Poland for some reason is helping them in war crimes.
maybe we can prosecute Poland for war crimes and that will be enough to get out of Afghanistan.

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,727 Joined: Mar 10, 08 ♂	Sep 27, 10, 19:25 #2
Marek11111: "A US-led Polish soldier has been killed in a roadside bomb blast in eastern Afghanistan, amid an increase in the number of such incidents in the country. Such incidents...such incidents... What incidents? Invade a country and they try to kill you? well I suppose that would be such an incident.

StuThreads: 27 Posts: 1,109 Joined: Mar 31, 10 ♂	Sep 27, 10, 19:27 #3
Marek11111: everyone knows that Unites States are protecting drugs in Afghanistan ????????????? Everyone ?????????????? Any proof, Marek?

Marek11111Threads: 49 Posts: 1,954 Joined: Aug 6, 09 ♂	Edited by: Marek11111 Sep 27, 10, 19:48 #4
http://www.exploringgeopolitics.org/Interview_Mercille_Julien_Afghanis tan_Politics_Security_Drugs_Corruption_Democracy_Warlords_Opium_Produc tion.html http://www.missingpersons-ireland.freepress-freespeech.com/CIAopium.ht m http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/KL16Df01.html http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=18768

saschaThreads: 13 Posts: 3,856 Joined: Jun 10, 10 ♂	Sep 27, 10, 19:49 #5
Stu: Marek11111: everyone knows that Unites States are protecting drugs in Afghanistan ????????????? Everyone ?????????????? Any proof, Marek? It's a legitimate question/theory. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_drug_trafficking What other reason does the US have, besides the one being closer to Russia and making a stand in the area? Bringing democracy of course. ;-)

StuThreads: 27 Posts: 1,109 Joined: Mar 31, 10 ♂	Edited by: Stu Sep 27, 10, 19:57 #6
But still no proof. Only personal opinions and insinuations. If I write some article on the internet, would you consider this to be proof as well?

Marek11111Threads: 49 Posts: 1,954 Joined: Aug 6, 09 ♂	Sep 27, 10, 20:05 #7
Stu: But still no proof. Only personal opinions and insinuations Then go there and see for yourself You did not read them and did not watch YouTube from fox news admitting of protecting opium please do not post your ignorant remarks

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Edited by: Stu Sep 27, 10, 20:13 #8

For your information ... I did read them. So you should stop accusing me of posting ignorant remarks when I don't agree with you or with these "doctors". Who are you to tell me what I should think, huh?

Saying that opium production has increased, is correct. Trying to tell me (if I remember correctly, someone from the Taliban said it in one of the articles), that opium production is shipped out from Afghanistan with "American aviation" is BS.

And ... I've been in Afghanistan ... twice even.

Listen to what Geraldo says: "If we were to destroy it (the poppy fields) now, the population would turn against the Marines and it would be a real security risk". You are twisting his words. You are saying something completely different then what the article is about.

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Edited by: SeanBM Sep 27, 10, 21:28 #9

Stu:

Listen to what Geraldo says: "If we were to destroy it (the poppy fields) now, the population would turn against the Marines and it would be a real security risk".

Opium farmer Haji Abdul Khan shows off damaged poppies to U.S. Marines and their military interpreter on March 22, 2009 near remote Qalanderabad in southwest Afghanistan. The opium poppy field was damaged when a U.S. Air Force airdrop of supplies blew off target, landing on some of Khan's crops and crushing them. The Marines assured Khan they would pay him for his damaged poppy crop in compensation for the accident.

That's where my thread about Withrdraw from Afghanistan and Iraq or not? ended, perhaps you could explain it? It baffles me.

pgtxThreads: 49 Posts: 6,327 Joined: Feb 14, 09 MEMBER ♀	Sep 27, 10, 21:50 #10
Stu: But still no proof. soon available on wikileaks... ;)

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Edited by: Stu Sep 27, 10, 21:50 #11

SeanBM, I think in the long run, we should give the Afghan farmers alternative crops to grow. But at the moment, despite the fact that presidents Bush's and Obama's policy is to actively destroy the poppy fields, I think we should let the farmers grow their poppies for now. If we destroy the fields, the farmers loose their livelihoods, it antagonizes the population and ultimately we drive them into the hands of the Taliban.

If I am not mistaken, there have been attempt to give them alternative crops like wheat. But the problem with these crops is that the farmers cannot make a sufficient living on it. So we have to think of an alternative strategy.

So I think the Marines' offer to pay Khan for the damages, is a very good policy indeed.

Who knows, pgtx, who knows ... ;)

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Sep 27, 10, 21:57 #12

Do the Taliban not run the drug smuggling operations?
I thought that they use drug money for funding?

Stu:

I think we should let the farmers grow their poppies for now. If we destroy the fields, the farmers loose their livelihoods,

It is difficult for me to pity people who grow illegal substances that destroy so many lives.
Of course these guys aren't forcing Europeans and Americans to take heroin but they sure ain't helping.
It sounds like a mess.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Sep 27, 10, 22:00 #13
You are thinking of the Albanian mafia, Seanny. It is not the Taliban that control the bulk of the poppy plant. It's an even greater pity that ruthless sods punt it off into the West. It's huge business. As for the Polish soldier, RIP. Still, that's what happens when you fight a ludicrous and phony war.

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,727 Joined: Mar 10, 08 ♂	Sep 27, 10, 22:04 #14
Seanus: Albanian mafia The Albanian Mafia run the drug trafficking in Afghanistan under the Taliban's noses and they get nothing? I get the feeling the more we go down this rabbit hole, the stranger reality is going to become and I'm late for a very important date.

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Edited by: Stu Sep 27, 10, 22:06 #15

You are correct, SeanBM. The Taliban do use the money for funding their operations. It is a dillemma. But the policy of eradicating the fields has met with fierce criticism from Richard Holbrooke and Lt. Col. Glaze, amongst many others. If you have to choose between the fact that the Taliban use the money for funding their operations (which you can fight with other means, like blocking bank accounts, etc ... etc ... ) and winning the hearts and minds of the Afghans, although they grow a crop which we disagree with, then the choice, in my opinion, isn't so hard to make.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Sep 27, 10, 22:11 #16
Who cares about Richard Holbrooke? Hamid Karzai runs Afghanistan, not him. If the Taliban didn't get their cut, the other terrorists would.

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,727 Joined: Mar 10, 08 ♂	Sep 27, 10, 22:20 #17
Stu: winning the hearts and minds of the Afghans Do you believe this is possible? It just seems that Afghanistan has been at war with one superpower or another forever. It is seldom that I have read about a country that has been under so much attack from so many different armies. Can we* really win them over? This is a real quagmire.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Sep 27, 10, 22:25 #18
Some locals may be but it will always be seen as an invasion. The number of times that they have lied to the troops in order to put them in harm's way is incredible. They cannot be trusted but nor should they be cooperative and complicit, it's their country.

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Sep 27, 10, 22:32 #19

Seanus:

Who cares about Richard Holbrooke? Hamid Karzai runs Afghanistan, not him. If the Taliban didn't get their cut, the other terrorists would.

I would like to agree seanus, but reality looks to me different.

Occupied by a bunch of NATO troops (incl. Germany!, never understood what we want there, but o.k., or not), somebody else is still pulling the strings and nobody knows how long that will go on.

I suppose this scene is again some sort of "playground" with serious intentions.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Sep 27, 10, 22:35 #20
Formally he does but he is a marionette that was put into power. He was a Unocal consultant that was interested in pipeline deals. This was the main reason for going into Afghanistan. Iran is the main blocker. If Iran starts to monopolise the business deals there, there will be a strike.

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Edited by: Amathyst Sep 28, 10, 00:05 #21

Stu:

If I am not mistaken, there have been attempt to give them alternative crops like wheat. But the problem with these crops is that the farmers cannot make a sufficient living on it. So we have to think of an alternative strategy.

So we let the drug dealer continue to deal drugs until he finds another means to fund his champagn life-style? (because thats exactly what you are saying)...Or maybe give him a job as a banker even though he's an idiot with no education? Orrrrrrr should we give him an apprentiship to teach him how to earn an honest living, give him the tools to have a good life? The sale of the drugs fund the taliban..The ignorance and lack of education of the farmers makes them think that rather than crowing crops and feeding themselves and making money is a bad thing (no easy money!)..They are no better than sad dirty drug dealers..they make money at the misery of a lot of people! The farmers should be shot!

On a different note, fek it, pull all the soilders out and funding and let them do what they do..build a big wall around Afaghanistan and let them murder each other! Im sick of seeing our boys come home in coffins! And after watching Dancing Boys of Afganistan, I have realised that they are sick depraved animals who dont actually deserve to live! They havent moved on since the dark ages and never will do. I do feel sorry for those who want change, but if they are not strong enough to make it happen then it tough..All European countries have done it, we were not born with a silver spoon in mouths we worked hard.

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Sep 28, 10, 00:38 #22

Amathyst:

build a big wall around Afaghanistan and let them murder each other!

I suppose they would come to an understanding without interference from the outside.

Amathyst:

Im sick of seeing our boys come home in coffins

Pa, you(I mean of course not you personally) sent them there. So no complains now.;-)

Amathyst:

I have realised that they are sick depraved animals who don't actually deserve to live

Racist.

Amathyst:

They havent moved on since the dark ages and never will do. I do feel sorry for those who want change, but if they are not strong enough to make it happen then it tough

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghanistan

Read this as a start.

Amathyst:

we were not born with a silver spoon in mouths we worked hard

"We" and also you are just profiting from what our ancestors achieved. "We" and also you didn't work hard for that. ;-)

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Edited by: richasis Sep 28, 10, 08:32 #23

Stu:

Listen to what Geraldo says:

In a recent report from Geraldo Rivera which aired in late April on Fox News, a USMC Lt. Col. indicated that US forces encourage the Aghans to grow different crops, however, out of fear of losing stability poppy cultivation is tolerated and even supported.

In November 2009, the Afghan Minister of Counter Narcotics General Khodaidad Khodaidad stated the majority of drugs are stockpiled in two provinces controlled by troops from the US, the UK, and Canada.

He also said that NATO forces are taxing the production of opium in the regions under their control and that foreign troops are earning money from drug production in Afghanistan.

Seanus:

Hamid Karzai runs Afghanistan

You jest. He's a puppet, no?

convexThreads: 46 Posts: 7,185 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Sep 28, 10, 11:17 #24
Seanus: Some locals may be but it will always be seen as an invasion. Because it was an invasion. I don't understand why so much attention is being directed toward the Taliban. Yes, they use terrorist tactics...in their own countries...

saschaThreads: 13 Posts: 3,856 Joined: Jun 10, 10 ♂	Sep 28, 10, 14:26 #25
convex: I don't understand why so much attention is being directed toward the Taliban. Someone or somebody has to be the bad guy(s)... The ones who are there right now certainly don't consider themselves like that. They are just bringing democracy ;-)

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Edited by: Crow Sep 28, 10, 18:24 #26
it would be much batter if that Polish soldier gave his life for liberation of Serbian Kosovo, on the behalf of Mother Slavija. Now, this way, its absolutely mind-blowing death

ZIMMYThreads: 10 Posts: 2,353 Joined: Feb 21, 09 ♂	Sep 28, 10, 18:40 #27
When President Bush sent soldiers to Afghanistan, the left in the U.S. opposed it vigorously. Now, in less than 20 months in office under President Obama, the death toll in that country has doubled the total deaths under Bush during all his years in office. Where is the left? Are they hypocritical?

richasisThreads: 5 Posts: 833 Joined: Jul 25, 09 ♂	Sep 28, 10, 19:21 #28
ZIMMY: Where is the left? Are they hypocritical? Yup. It's the Left-Right Paradigm.

George8600Threads: 20 Posts: 1,114 Joined: Feb 19, 09 ♂	Sep 28, 10, 19:24 #29
Marek11111: Warsaw has some 2,600 troops serving in the war-ravaged country. Warsaw has also seen the recent construction of it's first Mosque....go figure. @_@

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Edited by: Stu Sep 28, 10, 19:36 #30

Zimmy ... do you think we are all brainless idiots?

Bush ordered reinforcements and it was even increased by Obama. More boots on the ground and increased enemy activity automatically means an increase in casualties in absolute numbers.

And when Obama announced on Dec 1st 2009 that he would send another 30.000 troups, antiwar organisations (and I guess you can call them left) protested in many US-cities on Dec 2nd (http://www.fightbacknews.org/2009/12/1/anti-war-leaders-blast-escalat ion-afghanistan-war)

Please don't think people on PF are mindless idiots and can't remember facts of the last 2 or 3 years.

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