Polish soldier killed in Afghan war

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Dec 23, 11, 18:14 #61
PennBoy: The war would never end these are backward people who will never understand and let anyone rule over them even if the intention is good. Tactical nuclear strikes half the people wiped out would be the only thing to subdue people with that kind of a mental capacity. Sorry, but which side in the conflict are you referring to there?

PennBoyThreads: 157 Posts: 3,443 Joined: Dec 7, 08 ♂	Dec 23, 11, 18:20 #62
Harry: Sorry, but which side in the conflict are you referring to there? For America, the west, to gain control of the country they'd need to wipe out half the people.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Dec 23, 11, 18:47 #63
If I were the leader of Poland, I'd require there to be a referendum before any Polish troops were sent off again. All the war did for most Poles was to see them branded as an enemy of a country which they really didn't need to get involved in/with. Senseless!

dtaylor5632Threads: 49 Posts: 4,459 Joined: May 2, 09 ♂	Dec 23, 11, 19:38 #64
Seanus: If I were the leader of Poland, I'd require there to be a referendum before any Polish troops were sent off again. That would never work. If left to the public no one would fight... and in some circumstances the government would be blamed for not getting involved.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Dec 23, 11, 19:41 #65
Going to war has major international ramifications and develops trends. I think the people have the right to state their position through a referendum. Blunder first and ask later? No thanks!

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Edited by: sascha Dec 23, 11, 21:01 #66

US war woe: Suicide kills more soldiers than combat

"When guns fall silent and ceasefires are agreed, wars live on in the minds of the men and women who fought them. And a killer still stalks them, more deadly than the enemies they once faced.

Being in a conflict environment is killing US soldiers. But surprisingly, the biggest killers are not enemy combatants.

For the second year in row, more US soldiers killed themselves than were killed in combat. In 2010, 468 soldiers took their own lives, compared to 462 killed in fighting..."

http://rt.com/news/us-soldiers-suicide-combat-487/

i guess that calculation is not only for the glorious us army accountable. i really feel sorry for the polish soldiers, for the american too...

isthatu2Threads: 13 Posts: 5,225 Joined: Apr 3, 08 ♂	Dec 23, 11, 23:48 #67
Its universal Sascha, young lads full of p!ss and vinegar turn into men with terrible memories, more Falklands conflict veterens have killed themselves since the conflict than the approx 300 who died in a month or two in '82. War is over,if you want it.

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Edited by: Gruffi_Gummi Dec 24, 11, 00:12 #68

You want the shortest definition of this war? It's the manifestation of the paranoid mental state of the majority of the American public. Security above all. At all costs (be it freedom or the Constitution or whatever else). Out of fear of, figuratively speaking, bullies, America chose to let her government become the biggest bully and fight preventive wars. This is the nation's mental state, and also a bi-partisan political stance. Among major-league politicians only Ron Paul expresses different views (for this very reason the GOP establishment hates the guy). On the other side of the aisle, I think Dennis Kucinich is also a non-interventionist, but his standing is not comparable with RP's).

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Dec 24, 11, 00:18 #69

Security? Afghanistan is not a state within America, you know!? ;)

I don't buy that at all. Americans are sooooo attached to their Constitution and, mostly, rightly so!! What, you think that Interpol didn't exist before 9/11? You think that America didn't have police before 9/11? You are talking about politicians with agendas, not hard-working Americans. It has very little to do with actual fear. It is the press through propaganda that portrays the govt as the Caped Crusader who comes to save the day.

So you think Poles and others feared for their own safety? Why did they go to war? They have increased their chances of an attack on Polish soil now.

isthatu2Threads: 13 Posts: 5,225 Joined: Apr 3, 08 ♂	Dec 24, 11, 00:21 #70
Gruffi_Gummi: You want the shortest definition of this war? ClusterFu*k.

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Dec 24, 11, 00:34 #71

Seanus:

Security? Afghanistan is not a state within America, you know!? ;)

Exactly. Invading foreign countries preventively to maximize security at home. You don't need to tell me how moronic this is. I merely have described the mechanism. I do not support such thinking.

Seanus:

I don't buy that at all. Americans are sooooo attached to their Constitution and, mostly, rightly so!!

Wrong assumption. They are attached to a certain myth of the Constitution, but not to its letter and spirit. They can revere the Founding Fathers, worship the Constitution, celebrate the 4th of July, and in the same breath advocate things that are antithetical to the values of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. Not all Americans, of course, but a sufficient number to shape the country's politics.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Dec 24, 11, 00:39 #72
Aha. Sorry for suggesting it! If it disappeared, you'd see ;) However, I take your point!

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Dec 24, 11, 00:54 #73

PennBoy:

The Taliban is gone it's a few hundred guys and the rest are different tribes who are tired of foreign forces occupying their country and want them out. The war would never end these are backward people who will never understand and let anyone rule over them even if the intention is good. Tactical nuclear strikes half the people wiped out would be the only thing to subdue people with that kind of a mental capacity.

The Western nations shouldnt impose their lifestyle on Muslims or Africans or Asians by killing them.

Seanus:

If I were the leader of Poland, I'd require there to be a referendum before any Polish troops were sent off again. All the war did for most Poles was to see them branded as an enemy of a country which they really didn't need to get involved in/with. Senseless!

Amen. I wish they did that in "democratic" nations. But they know that people would probably win over Neocon agendas.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Dec 24, 11, 01:15 #74
I find it strange that, in some commentaries, people have hacks at the Afghans for killing NATO soldiers. Again, we must put ourselves in the shoes of Afghans. Would we like that done in our own backyard??

saschaThreads: 13 Posts: 3,856 Joined: Jun 10, 10 ♂	Dec 24, 11, 17:09 #75
Seanus: Would we like that done in our own backyard?? most probably not, but that doesnt stop the nate/eu from invading. they just give a fukc about it and search to get their wishes fullfilled.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Dec 24, 11, 22:37 #76
The Polish 'wilijo' celebrations were marred for some by the announcement that those that died had their funerals today. Tactless one would have thought but it would have got under the skin of Poles for sure. Napieralski has been calling for a withdrawal for some time.

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Mar 11, 12, 18:30 #77

'An American soldier opened fire on villagers near his base in southern Afghanistan Sunday and killed 16 civilians, according to President Hamid Karzai who called it an "assassination" and furiously demanded an explanation from Washington. Nine children and three women were among the dead.'
http://news.yahoo.com/afghan-president-us-soldier-kills-16-civilians-1 54011087.html

This is gonna be good....

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Mar 23, 12, 03:31 #78

'Pentagon officials said Thursday that they expect Staff Sgt. Robert Bales, 38, to be charged on Friday on 17 counts of murder, among other lesser charges.'
'The official said he could not explain why Bales was expected to be charged on 17 counts of murder, when the number of Afghan civilians reported to have been killed in a March 11 shooting rampage in Panjwai district, southern Afghanistan was 16, including 9 children.' http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/envoy/staff-sgt-robert-bales-expected-char ged-17-counts-233048462.html

WroclawThreads: 77 Posts: 7,404 Joined: Apr 1, 06 ♂ [Moderator]	Mar 23, 12, 19:30 #79
PennBoy: said he could not explain why Bales was expected to be charged on 17 counts of murder woman with child i suppose.

saschaThreads: 13 Posts: 3,856 Joined: Jun 10, 10 ♂	Apr 15, 12, 20:30 #80
http://rt.com/news/kabul-explosions-diplomatic-area-089/ randomly picked. it seems they cannot forget the no. 17. probably i wouldn't either. what about polsih soldiers? are they still there 'helping'?

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