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PennBoyThreads: 157
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Joined: Dec 7, 08  Pictures: 2 ♂ 		 May 20, 11, 17:22    #1
Polish soldiers captured an another from the list of most wanted. Captured Abdul Manan was questioned and handed over to the Afghan authorities.
Manan was caught during a nighttime special forces operation in Andar district. According to the press service of the Polish Military Contingent he is responsible for the killings of Afghans cooperating with the military and police, as well as attacks on Afghan forces and coalition troops.

"We managed to locate him by actions of the Military Counterintelligence Service, and the operation was attended by an independent air-assault group."

"He was totally surprised"

In addition to completely surprised Manan Polish soldiers captured three other rebels. All were initially interrogated and handed over to the Afghan service.

That same day, thanks to intelligence information, a weapons and ammunition depo was located in the Koghani District in the northern province of Ghazni. The soldiers found 30 rounds of mortars and antitank grenades. http://www.tvn24.pl/-1,1703775,0,1,afganistan-polacy-zlapali-groznego- rebelianta,wiadomosc.html
SeanusThreads: 22
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Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂ 		 May 20, 11, 19:24    #2
Abdul Manan? A fictitious name pulled from randomly from a database that nobody can verify. Yeah, what a success! ;)
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Joined: Jun 10, 10  Pictures: 2 ♂ 		 May 20, 11, 19:29    #3
Seanus:
Abdul Manan? A fictitious name pulled from randomly from a database that nobody can verify. Yeah, what a success! ;)


The scare has to be kept alive. It makes the politics much easier. ;)
SeanusThreads: 22
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Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂ 		 May 20, 11, 21:26    #4
Exactly! Apparently Poland is now a target according to PantieLeaks, sorry, Wikileaks.
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Joined: Oct 18, 07 ♂ 		 May 20, 11, 21:27    #5
Seanus:
Exactly! Apparently Poland is now a target according to PantieLeaks, sorry, Wikileaks.

Hasn't it for the last 1000 years?
SeanusThreads: 22
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Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂ 		 May 20, 11, 21:28    #6
Fair point, Dariusz, fair point :) This time Poland can fend off the threat but can't be overly complacent. Disasters can come when you least expect them.
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z_darius:
Hasn't it for the last 1000 years?

Maybe, yes, but now you got an (un)invited "guest" additionally from the 'big helper', too. ;) and noone asked for it.

Nice gift, ha? ;)
SeanusThreads: 22
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Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂ 		 May 20, 11, 21:31    #8
It's a phony war and will only serve to put Poland in the line of fire. Why should Poles suffer for the folly of their govt? Your average Pole couldn't give a Castlemaine XXXX about the war in Afghanistan.
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Seanus:
Abdul Manan? A fictitious name pulled from randomly from a database that nobody can verify. Yeah, what a success! ;)

I'd rather hear such news than one of those: "yet another Polish soldier was blown by IED". Putting aside the reasons why they are there I am glad that Polish military intelligence has actually recovered, long after Antek Macierewicz(*) managed to destroy it.
This information came from official sources, not from one of those cowboy-reporters(**), so I am confident that this is not a lie. The name was supposedly taken from the "Joint Prioritized Effects List", which supposedly exists. A name "Mullah Abdul Manan" is yet another story though. It must be a popular name in Afghanistan, since I have seen it in various contexts over several years. Someone of this name was apprehended in 2005, a Taliban commander from Badghis Province has the same name (as of 2011-04-03), etc.

(*)So far, Antony Macierewicz has cost the Polish Treasury about 322 thousand zloty, including 218 thousand for the costs of public apologies in major newspapers, 85 thousand zloty for compensations, 18.5 thousand - for the litigation expenses. The total amount may reach half a million zlotys..
For me, the situation is extremely awkward. Ministry must apologize for Antoni Macierewicz, who - as was proven in state courts - has harmed many people. In addition, we have to look after the interest of the Treasury and make sure that the compensation are not devastating for us, although it is not we who are responsible for the content that is included in the [Macierewicz] report. "- Klich said in Gazeta Wyborcza.

(**) I knew about the message of OP few days before it was officially announced on the website of the Polish Ministry of Defence. But the reporter who published it first is quite unreliable, as I recently discovered. I may name him one day if he misbehaves again.
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sascha:
Maybe, yes, but now you got an (un)invited "guest" additionally from the 'big helper', too. ;) and noone asked for it.

Nice gift, ha? ;)

Some of the ancestors of these uninvited guests have been in Poland on an off for centuries.

Seanus:
Why should Poles suffer for the folly of their govt?

They shouldn't but all people in all countries do. That's how the world is set up.
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Seanus:
It's a phony war and will only serve to put Poland in the line of fire. Why should Poles suffer for the folly of their govt?

They are not asked. Noone. Nwo demands and gets usually. No 'no' for an answer.


Seanus:
Your average Pole couldn't give a Castlemaine XXXX about the war in Afghanistan.

As far as it looks like now, there will be at least 2 more Afghanistan soon, with or without Poland's participation. ;)
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Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂ 		Edited by: Seanus  May 20, 11, 21:38    #12
Coming from official sources is a good reason to distrust it, boletus.

Dariusz, that's true. I'd feel the injustice were terrorists to strike yet I understand their fury at the West.

Sascha, exactly. Do not put your people in harm's way for the sake of profiteering snakes.
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Joined: May 4, 11 ♂ 		 May 20, 11, 21:45    #13
Why are Polish troops still there? This war/occupation is pointless and will end up like Vietnam or Afghanistan in 80s.
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Joined: Dec 7, 08  Pictures: 2 ♂ 		 May 20, 11, 21:51    #14
Listen people, Afghanistan is a land based aircraft carrier. US troops had Osama several times in their rifle sights months after 9/11 every time the order came in to stand down. Afghanistan is in a strategically important region, by Iran, China, India not too far from Russia.
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^ definitely
Democracy is the last thing US would like to see there.
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PennBoy:
Listen people, Afghanistan is a land based aircraft carrier. US troops had Osama several times in their rifle sights months after 9/11 every time the order came in to stand down. Afghanistan is in a strategically important region, by Iran, China, India not too far from Russia.

So what? What do you imply? That us will not leave, that's ok what they do?

Hipocracy rulz now and that's fine by you?

z_darius:
Democracy is the last thing US would like to see there.

What is that, democracy, i mean not the definiton but what is sold on the market? ;)
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sascha:
What do you imply? That us will not leave

Not anytime soon, the US will probably have large bases there.
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PennBoy:
Not anytime soon, the US will probably have large bases there.

Whatever. I was not anticipating any us move soon. That's just for the eyes what they say. In general. Nwo wants it like it wants it and until now they succeed. For how long more, we'll see...
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Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂ 		 May 20, 11, 22:21    #19
I don't like to discuss news stories on such a topic as it's 90% BS. Seymour Hersh ran a story alleging that Osama escaped via one side of Tora Bora but, then again, was he there? It's all based on spin and agendas.
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Joined: Mar 17, 10 ♀ 		Edited by: guesswho  May 20, 11, 22:30    #20
z_darius:
^ definitely
Democracy is the last thing US would like to see there.



Quit spreading your bs about us not allowing Afghanistan, Iraq and other Muslim countries to become democratic countries. It's like the Muslim world ever cared about democracy.

Democracy made in Afghanistan

Democracy made in Iran

Democracy made in Iraq


Stick your anti-American comments where the sun don't shine.
SeanusThreads: 22
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Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂ 		 May 20, 11, 22:35    #21
Guesswho, I just want you to imagine one thing. Please imagine an Iraqi, Afghan or Libyan military presence on your soil conducting bombing raids, assassinations or generally wreaking havoc. How would you feel? Seriously!
PennBoyThreads: 157
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Seanus:
Abdul Manan? A fictitious name pulled from randomly from a database that nobody can verify

I checked and didn't see him on the US "most wanted taliban list" so the name is a hoax. Haven't see any pictures of this terrible man. http://mommadonna.roadproservices.com/2011/04/most-wanted-taliban-comm anders-in-afghanistan/
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Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂ 		 May 20, 11, 22:39    #23
I'm not denying his existence or lack thereof, Penn. I don't know either way but I can see holes in stories. That's what I was trained to do back in the day. I don't think Tusk gains the same oomph in ratings as Obama does when there is a 'success' story but I wonder what the motive for this likely fabrication is.
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PennBoy:
I checked and didn't see him on the US "most wanted taliban list" so the name is a hoax.

That list is not the JPEL, as cited in the source of your post. JPEL is both "capture or kill", so it must be quite a long, not the highest priority, list.
Secondly, we westerners do not actually understand how the Pashtun names are formed, so we just grab the first two words and we are happy. But I saw on internet many Abdul Manans with extra name - killed, arrested, etc. For example, one of the recent messages is here:

The Taliban from day one of their ruling warned the non-Pashtun nations of Afghanistan that who call themselves separate entities, should leave the country or they should be Muslims like them (the Taliban). After this warning, Abdul Manan Niazi, the Taliban spokesman, in post occupation and the announcement of a three day massacre in Mazar-e-Sharif, he proclaimed that the Tajiks should go to Tajikistan, the Uzbeks to Uzbekistan and the Hazaras to Ghoristan (graveyard).


http://www.hazarapeople.com/2011/02/20/enough-of-injustice-cruelty-an d-oppression/

But generally, I agree that one should be very cautious when seeing hurrah-patriotic messages.
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Seanus:
Guesswho, I just want you to imagine one thing. Please imagine an Iraqi, Afghan or Libyan military presence on your soil conducting bombing raids, assassinations or generally wreaking havoc. How would you feel? Seriously!


How would you like to have their "democracy" in your country?



here, more "democracy"


Besides my friend, you as a Brit are not entitled to criticize America, look at yourself, you're there too.
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Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂ 		 May 20, 11, 23:53    #26
That didn't answer the question at all.

Women are abused in the West too so don't deny that fact.

I am entitled as a civilised Scot to criticise what I feel needs to be criticised.

Where too?
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guesswho:
How would you like to have their "democracy" in your country?

The difference is that we are in their countries and we are trying to shove down their ......not other way around



Abdul Banan
:D
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Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂ 		 May 20, 11, 23:56    #28
Yes, brother, yes.

Abdul Drań ;)
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guesswho:
Besides my friend, you as a Brit are not entitled to criticize America, look at yourself, you're there too.


(Are you American?) Fools, Brits are enjoying low-profile profit everywhere including Iraq while dirty works are being done by fool americans. This is one of reason why Obama has withdrawn most of American soldiers from Iraq and keep withdrawing the rest. Brits will be caught as rubbits under the spotlights.

As for Polish forces capturing a Taliban. Congrats them. Obama said today all Laden connected people in Afganistan will be captured sooner or later. (Someones in the West must be sh*tting in their pants these days. They will have no reason to keep their soldiers there anymore.)
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NomadatNet:
This is one of reason why Obama has withdrawn most of American soldiers from Iraq and keep withdrawing the rest.


not quite. Better ask how expensive it is to keep our soldiers over there. This is the main reason why we need to withdraw from anywhere really.

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