Polish special forces capture top Taliban

PennBoyThreads: 157 Posts: 3,443 Joined: Dec 7, 08 ♂	Oct 28, 10, 19:53 #1
Troops from the First Special Commander Regiment (Lubliniec) have reportedly captured a local Taliban commander in the Ghazni district, south east Afghanistan who is on the US most wanted list. http://www.thenews.pl/international/artykul142244_polish-special-force s-capture-top-taliban.html

convexThreads: 46 Posts: 7,185 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Edited by: convex Oct 28, 10, 21:00 #2
Polish special forces are definately getting up there with the best. Top notch special forces and mandatory military service until 50 and Poland has defense wrapped up. No need to try to keep up pace in the arms race :) Congrats!

nottThreads: 6 Posts: 1,271 Joined: Jun 2, 10 ♂	Oct 28, 10, 22:44 #3
convex: Polish special forces are definately getting up there with the best. I heard an opinion that GROM is one of the three leading special forces in the world, along with the SAS and something. Navy Seals probably...

convexThreads: 46 Posts: 7,185 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Oct 28, 10, 22:52 #4
nott: leading special forces It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to compare special forces teams. GROM are great at what they do, along with dozens of other spec ops units around the world. All those guys are hardcore. As far as stand alone efficiency, you have to take the whole bit into account, intelligence, support, political sway...

nottThreads: 6 Posts: 1,271 Joined: Jun 2, 10 ♂	Oct 28, 10, 22:55 #5
convex: It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to compare special forces teams. Possibly. Only it made me feel so good... :)

convexThreads: 46 Posts: 7,185 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Oct 28, 10, 22:56 #6
nott: Possibly. Only it made me feel so good... :) Fair enough, they're BAMFs :)

A JThreads: 19 Posts: 4,639 Joined: May 21, 10 ♂	Oct 28, 10, 23:03 #7
convex: Congrats! Yeah, I think I'll congratulate people once all the wars are over. ;)

convexThreads: 46 Posts: 7,185 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Oct 28, 10, 23:04 #8
A J: Yeah, I think I'll congratulate people once all the wars are over. That would be the optimal route, this is second best.

pgtxThreads: 49 Posts: 6,327 Joined: Feb 14, 09 MEMBER ♀	Oct 28, 10, 23:04 #9
convex: Congrats! thx dude, it was piece of cake...

DarrenMThreads: 2 Posts: 126 Joined: Dec 21, 07 ♂	Oct 28, 10, 23:07 #10
nott: GROM is one of the three leading special forces in the world, along with the SAS and something. You are absolutely correct. GROM are very very highly regarded. The SAS and its marine equivalent, the SBS (who both do the same initial 6 month selection) are better than ANYTHING the Americans have.

guesswhoThreads: 23 Posts: 3,326 Joined: Mar 17, 10 ♀	Edited by: guesswho Oct 28, 10, 23:09 #11
PennBoy: Polish special forces capture top Taliban congrats Polish special forces ! DarrenM: are better than ANYTHING the Americans have. I don't care if you agree, our NAVY Seals are top notch too.

DarrenMThreads: 2 Posts: 126 Joined: Dec 21, 07 ♂	Oct 28, 10, 23:12 #12
guesswho: congrats Polish special forces ! Indeed, the only thing that it will be reported as "NATO" forces and not Polish Troops.

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,786 Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂	Oct 28, 10, 23:17 #13
a member of polish special forces in Afghanistan

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Oct 28, 10, 23:22 #14

DarrenM:

The SAS and its marine equivalent, the SBS (who both do the same initial 6 month selection) are better than ANYTHING the Americans have.

Yawn, read my earlier comment.

guesswho:

I don't care if you agree, our NAVY Seals are top notch too.

There are a bunch of great units out there, DEVGRU is definitely one of them.

DarrenM:

Indeed, the only thing that it will be reported as "NATO" forces and not Polish Troops.

Did you read the article? It was reported as Polish, or?

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Edited by: DarrenM Oct 28, 10, 23:22 #15

convex:

It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to compare special forces teams.

The respective SF do it. Indeed, despite the fact that the SBS and SAS do the same 6 month initial selection the SBS although a smaller Unit consider themsleves to be better than the SAS because the SBS lads have to do additional selection training having completed the SAS selection course. That of course is natural and healthy competition between the two units which understandably results in comparisons being made.

The SBS lads that don't make the grade on the SBS selection are offered a place in the SAS.

That tends be the subject of derision by the SBS lads.

convex:

Did you read the article? It was reported as Polish, or?

News.pl .....A Polish site so naturally with a Polish bias.

guesswho:

I don't care if you agree, our NAVY Seals are top notch too.

I didnt say they weren't top notch, or anything negative about them for that matter. Nor would I.

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Oct 28, 10, 23:30 #16

DarrenM:

The respective SF do it.

Between nations it doesn't make any sense. It works the same in just about every country. What are you comparing? How well a unit can shoot? Their effectiveness alone? Their effectiveness with their intelligence support? Do you take into account insertion and extraction? Ability to persuade foreign governments for things like overflight rights? FOBs?

You can't really compare apples to apples because there are too many oranges required to make special forces teams function properly.

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Edited by: guesswho Oct 28, 10, 23:36 #17

DarrenM:

comparisons being made.

"The Special Air Service (SAS) is trained to perform equally well in all the fields listed for the SEALs, but is also trained by MI-5 and MI-6 for in-depth counter-espionage, more so than the SEALs"
No point to really discuss it guys. It's obvious that a Brit will never agree with an American in this case, lol
The real quality of a well trained soldier is showing in action and not on paper, let's hope that it will never come to a clash between our troops.

ukpolskaThreads: 51 Posts: 2,238 Joined: Oct 23, 06 MEMBER ♂	Oct 28, 10, 23:46 #18
Poland is a nice big soft target for the Al-Qaeda - I only hope this doesn't come true after Poland has stuck its neck out now. The whole effort in Iraq and Afghanistan is a serous mistake, Iraq failed and so will Afghanistan at the cost of thousands of lives on all sides and nothing will change in the end.

DarrenMThreads: 2 Posts: 126 Joined: Dec 21, 07 ♂	Oct 28, 10, 23:48 #19
convex: Between nations it doesn't make any sense. Whether you choose to accept my word for it or not, it happens at all levels, from the troops on the ground the decision makers at the top. Moreso by those on the outside. Some of the terms you use intimate you are as well versed as myself. Would be happy to share my experiences but obviously not on a public forum.

A JThreads: 19 Posts: 4,639 Joined: May 21, 10 ♂	Oct 28, 10, 23:52 #20
DarrenM: Indeed, the only thing that it will be reported as "NATO" forces and not Polish Troops. Hey, I've got nothing but respect for those boys out there, but you didn't think the Polish were operating on their own, did you now? ;)

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Oct 28, 10, 23:59 #21

ukpolska:

The whole effort in Iraq and Afghanistan is a serous mistake

If you put it that way, all wars are "mistakes" and it would be so much cheaper to find some kinda agreement between people allover the world instead to kill each other. Unfortunitely it doesn't work that way and most likely never will. There are too many political, economical and religious differences in the world. I know it sounds cruel but the wars are a part of it all, always were and always will be.

szkotja2007Threads: 38 Posts: 2,544 Joined: Dec 29, 06 ♂	Oct 29, 10, 00:17 #22
convex: What are you comparing? How about not killing hostages ? Linda Norgrove

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Oct 29, 10, 00:59 #23
Polish special forces capture top Taliban yes. That was nice hunt

saschaThreads: 13 Posts: 3,856 Joined: Jun 10, 10 ♂	Oct 29, 10, 01:47 #24
Crow: That was nice hunt The polish and all the other forces there will probably soon get support from their "old friends" ;-) Exactly, Russia. Yes, the US&A asked for their support in order to avoid Vietnam no. III (after the real one, Irak and now in Afghanistan)...

PennBoyThreads: 157 Posts: 3,443 Joined: Dec 7, 08 ♂	Oct 29, 10, 02:11 #25
sascha: The polish and all the other forces there will probably soon get support from their "old friends" ;-) Exactly, Russia. Send some Spetsnaz in there

guesswhoThreads: 23 Posts: 3,326 Joined: Mar 17, 10 ♀	Edited by: guesswho Oct 29, 10, 02:13 #26
sascha: Yes, the US&A asked for their support in order to avoid Vietnam no. III (after the real one, Irak and now in Afghanistan)... http://www.oochoo.com/2010/10/nato-asks-for-help-from-russia-for-afgha n-war/ you mean NATO and the rest is your own made up opinion. BTW, your Russia or SU was in Afghanistan before and what did you guys achieve? Nothing.

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Edited by: Crow Oct 29, 10, 02:18 #27

sascha:

Exactly, Russia.

both- Russia and Poland should stay out of conflict in Afgan. Slavic world isn`t threatened by Afgan people and so no need for intervention of Slavic solders there

sascha:

Yes, the US&A asked for their support in order to avoid Vietnam no. III

USA can`t avoid Vietnam no. 3. Its destine of USA. They chooses that way to solve their domestic economic problems

PennBoy:

Send some Spetsnaz in there

send Spetsnaz and Grom where are they really needed. We all know where is that and its not Afganistan for sure

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Edited by: joepilsudski Oct 29, 10, 05:38 #28

Be proud...Poles fight in a war to help Rothschilds and Israelis get pipeline to move oil and natural gas from Turkmenistan and other points in Central Asia...Poles help make up for war crimes committed at Auschwitz....Dobźe...Głopcie.

http://www.allbusiness.com/energy-utilities/utilities-industry-natural -gas/7465541-1.html

Yosef Maiman, Mossad businessman & German Jew

Trans-Afghan Pipeline (TAP)

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Oct 29, 10, 21:21 #29

guesswho:

you mean NATO and the rest is your own made up opinion. BTW, your Russia or SU was in Afghanistan before and what did you guys achieve? Nothing.

Congrets! You found a similar link on the web. Bravo!

My own made up opinion? Why shouldn't I have my opinion? You have obviously yours.
Tell me since you seem to be deeper in this topic, what is so wrong about my opinion?
Again, you do not offer any arguments and it seems you neither have an opinion nor an attitude ;)

Btw. What did US&A achieve anywhere where they fought "for democracy"? N.o.t.h.i.n.g..

Vietnam syndrome keeps haunting them...

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Oct 30, 10, 18:25 #30

GROM won the respect of the Navy Seals as they were invited over. They are truly deserving of the name 'elite'. They have access to all manner of terrain which helps their preparedness.

Poland, to this very day, has sth called Liga Obrony Kraju. They train youngsters for all manner of things and one of them is military training. Literally translated, it means League of Defence of the Country, Country Defence League. You can expect it to be rigorous. I learned more about it today from my wife's dad as we were waiting on new things for the gaff and one of their vans was stuck in traffic.

Well done to those soldiers but Crow is right, they shouldn't be there in the first place.

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