Polish stab into the Taliban forces

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Nov 26, 10, 12:30 #1

http://www.rp.pl/artykul/569570_Polski-cios-w-talibow.html
(Be warned it is in Polish)

Today I saw an article on www.rp.pl about that Polish forces (commandoes) have captured 2 Taliban leaders (1 of them recently). Will this enforce Polish domination in the area? Also there are hint about better specialists being on their way there or that they are there allready.

Will Afganistan be withotu Taliban if Poles take it into their own hands?

FUZZYWICKETSThreads: 12 Posts: 1,999 Joined: Nov 3, 09 ♂	Nov 26, 10, 12:36 #2
there are currently 2,000 polish soldiers in afghanistan. are you saying.....like.......poland taking over all operations in Afghanistan?

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Nov 26, 10, 12:44 #3

Let's not forget that the casualty rate amongst Polish soldiers isn't the lowest by any stretch. Good as they are, they have been caught out on numerous occasions. The efforts of elite special forces have been effective only to a point.

Operation Mushtarak was designed to be the stab in the heart that mattered but what followed was disconcerting. Word got around that they wanted to strike a deal with the Taliban. This would be a classic admission of defeat and they must press on with military operations to avoid this.

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Nov 26, 10, 12:48 #4

Polish soldiers are in Afghanistan to die. As are all non-American NATO soldiers. By dying they make the Americans grimly happy - "See, we aren't the only fools out here!"

Afghanistan cannot be dragged into the modern world - because they don't want it. Opium poppies supply the money, mediaeval Islam supplies their brand of happiness. I saw a village elder on TV saying, "We don't need electricity, we have Allah." Sad, but true.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Nov 26, 10, 12:57 #5
There is a certain element of truth to that. They are comforting themselves. I think the soldiers are just getting a stern workout. It's what they are trained to do but I wonder if they really believe in the sense of the mission in their hearts.

VarsovianThreads: 91 Posts: 568 Joined: Nov 23, 06 ♂	Nov 26, 10, 13:04 #6
America can't afford it either. Dollar crisis coming in mid 2011.

PennBoyThreads: 157 Posts: 3,443 Joined: Dec 7, 08 ♂	Edited by: PennBoy Nov 26, 10, 15:07 #7
Polish soldiers are in the most dangerous province, up north it's much safer, plus some of the other "allies" are just as peace keepers and wont take part in the fighting.

joepilsudskiThreads: 44 Posts: 2,529 Joined: Apr 27, 07 ♂	Nov 26, 10, 15:18 #8
Up north, the main job is guarding poppy fields and heroin factories.

PennBoyThreads: 157 Posts: 3,443 Joined: Dec 7, 08 ♂	Nov 26, 10, 15:30 #9
joepilsudski: guarding poppy fields and heroin factories 70-90% of world Heroin production, someone must protect that from harm.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Nov 26, 10, 15:38 #10
Oh, it's been syphoned off to Western markets, PennBoy. What is Obama's position on the pullout now? Has he U-turned again? It was to be Moshtarak as the last throw of the dice and then out according to a timetable. The Poles won't mind the practice but will be looking for more than gratitude in a fight that they didn't start but were sucked into.

PennBoyThreads: 157 Posts: 3,443 Joined: Dec 7, 08 ♂	Nov 26, 10, 15:56 #11
Seanus: What is Obama's position on the pullout now? Has he U-turned again? Yea he had all the answers, economic, foreign policy. In America the president still has some power so he can't say the politicians didn't let him do this or that. Watch him get re-elected.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Nov 26, 10, 16:05 #12
We shall see. The Taliban still have the knack of occupying the best positions. The Poles have experience of rugged terrain so I'd love to see some vids of how they are faring out there.

joepilsudskiThreads: 44 Posts: 2,529 Joined: Apr 27, 07 ♂	Nov 26, 10, 17:17 #13
Seanus: What is Obama's position on the pullout now? Has he U-turned again? Richard Holbrooke runs US policy on Afghanistan, not Obama.

Marek11111Threads: 49 Posts: 1,954 Joined: Aug 6, 09 ♂	Nov 26, 10, 17:30 #14
Richard Holbrooke is there to make sure drug export is going well then he launders money through Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. is not out of business they still are operating on wall street they just out of news cycles after 2008 of bankruptcy

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Edited by: joepilsudski Nov 26, 10, 17:55 #15

Marek11111:

Richard Holbrooke is there to make sure drug export is going well then he launders money through Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc.
Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. is not out of business they still are operating on wall street they just out of news cycles after 2008 of bankruptcy

Quite interesting...Holbrooke also a Rothschild in-law, and Rothschilds want pipeline thru Kandahar province, so they can transport natural gas from Turkmenistan to India & China...Israeli Merhav Group control natural gas in Turkmenistan.

Holbrooke also f*cked Serbs in Dayton 'peace agreement' after Bosnian war.

Obama is an extremely weak president, and this is by design...Weakest since Jimmy Carter, but Carter was more honest...But Obama is helpless as to making real changes in US...Things have gone too far...Only dictator could straighten US out, but you know the problems with dictators.

David_18Threads: 111 Posts: 1,212 Joined: Jan 4, 07 ♂	Nov 26, 10, 17:58 #16
Seanus: Let's not forget that the casualty rate amongst Polish soldiers isn't the lowest by any stretch. Good as they are, they have been caught out on numerous occasions. The efforts of elite special forces have been effective only to a point. Or maybe the Poles are just braver then the Americans that need to bomb the **** out of their enemy before they even move in?

joepilsudskiThreads: 44 Posts: 2,529 Joined: Apr 27, 07 ♂	Nov 26, 10, 18:03 #17
David_18: Or maybe the Poles are just braver then the Americans that need to bomb the **** out of their enemy before they even move in? Poles might indeed be more courageous fighters...US soldiers come from 'video game' school of war fighting....This leads to de-personalized murder.

convexThreads: 46 Posts: 7,185 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Nov 26, 10, 18:22 #18
David_18: Or maybe the Poles are just braver then the Americans that need to bomb the **** out of their enemy before they even move in? Or maybe they're employing a strategy where they take more casualties. In your mind, taking more casualties=bravery?

Lodz_The_BoatThreads: 58 Posts: 2,314 Joined: Sep 7, 08 ♂	Nov 26, 10, 18:27 #19
Varsovian: the Americans grimly happy - "See, we aren't the only fools out here!" And after all these I hear USA is contemplating a joint meeting with Taliban and other Afghan leaders to declare truce and move away. Its very unfortunate ... From the beginning I never wanted Poland to be involved in this mess.

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Nov 26, 10, 19:02 #20

convex:

taking more casualties=bravery?

The real question is not that of bravery or strategy but that of mentality of those in charge who still have the inferiority complex and want to score some brownie points with their perceived superiors, thinking that kissing a** will get them somewhere. For an average soldier it’s not an issue, time for the politian’s to stand on their own two feet; speak their mind, being a loyal servant to an imaginary superior power is not getting them respect neither domestically nor abroad as it has been proven time and time again, feck if it offends anyone, once perceived as a servant that’s all you’ll ever be. It’s this strategy happily adapted by our naive leaders for the sake of their carriers that’s the problem, a road to nowhere. Stupidity is the best term to describe it.

PennBoyThreads: 157 Posts: 3,443 Joined: Dec 7, 08 ♂	Nov 26, 10, 19:02 #21
David_18: Or maybe the Poles are just braver then the Americans that need to bomb the **** out of their enemy

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Nov 26, 10, 22:16 #22
Polish soldiers may well be braver at times but it still amounts to a generalisation. Their training is superb according to most who know their stuff. Still, nobody is immune to landmines and the Taliban are getting ever more adept at strategically laying them. The main routes are a constant risk for troops passing through.

pozaluistaThreads: - Posts: 12 Joined: Oct 21, 10 ♂	Dec 6, 10, 10:22 #23
In fact the Americans are keeping Polish soldiers on dangerous places where the Americans do not want to go and fight. Americans are using other nationals to fight their war. Rob

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Edited by: FUZZYWICKETS Dec 6, 10, 11:02 #24

pozaluista wrote:

In fact the Americans are keeping Polish soldiers on dangerous places where the
Americans do not want to go and fight. Americans are using other nationals to
fight their war.

Poland has lost 22 soldiers in the Afghan war.

America has lost 469 in 2010 alone.

Americans aren't in dangerous places? Tell that to the parents of the 1416 dead US soldiers that have died in Afghanistan.

Jackass.

skysoulmateThreads: 41 Posts: 3,039 Joined: Jan 10, 10 ♂	Dec 6, 10, 11:29 #25
pozaluista: In fact the Americans are keeping Polish soldiers on dangerous places where the Americans do not want to go and fight. Americans are using other nationals to fight their war. Rob Listen, most of those thugs are hiding in your own country of Pakistan so I think you should stfu. Interestingly Russian sounding screen name for a Pakistani...

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Edited by: peterweg Dec 6, 10, 11:31 #26

UK dead is 350 I beleive.

It emphasises that Poland is wasting what little resources it has in Afganistan. They make little diffeance when you realise that the UK and USA with ten and fifty times the effort is making no progress whatsoever.

Afganistan is a lost cause, it has been since the 18th century.

Any idea dthat Poland would get anything out of it is sadly mistaken. Wikileaks cables makes it clear that with the US its a one way street - help us and don't expect anything back except a bill for the weapons you will need to buy to supprt our wars.

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Dec 6, 10, 11:40 #27
Polish stab into the Taliban forces Polish di** should stub something else and not in Afghanistan but on Kosovo

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,955 Joined: May 17, 07 ♂	Dec 6, 10, 12:37 #28
Maybe they get their training on Afghanistan to apply on mujas in Kosovo.

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Dec 6, 10, 17:06 #29
southern: Maybe they get their training on Afghanistan to apply on mujas in Kosovo. true. Maybe those Polish solders on Kosovo save honor of Poland after all. i would respect them if they exterminate at least 100 mujas down there in the region. 100 is really a minimum

convexThreads: 46 Posts: 7,185 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Dec 6, 10, 17:13 #30
Crow: true. Maybe those Polish solders on Kosovo save honor of Poland after all. i would respect them if they exterminate at least 100 mujas down there in the region. 100 is really a minimum Indeed Crow, you should be supportive of this. Your Slavic warriors are getting trained up to fight.

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