Polish stab into the Taliban forces

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boletusThreads: 47 Posts: 1,095 Joined: Apr 13, 11 ♂	Jun 8, 11, 00:30 #61
pawian: will do anything to please the master - even blow up That's gross and way too far in your anti-war propaganda, pawian. :-) Actually that dog in the glasses takes the same chances as the rest of the boys there. And yes, he often wears some kind of flat pouches on both sides of his belly, but they are filled with coolant to cool him down. You must have noticed his thick fur.

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Edited by: Crow Jun 8, 11, 00:34 #62
Polish stab into the Taliban forces Did Poles used condoms?

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Jun 23, 11, 22:31 #63

After Obama signals the end of war and gradual American withdrawal from Afghanistan, Poland will also start reducing its forces there. Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk said on Thursday in Brussels that he charged the Minister of Defence Bogdan Klich with preparation of a plan for reduction of Polish troops in Afghanistan - adapting it to the American withdrawal strategy.

In meantime however...

Ghazni offensive
translated from http://polska-zbrojna.pl/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id= 13083:ofensywa-w-ghazni&catid=80:afganistan&Itemid=129

Polish Task Force is conducting intensive operational activities in Ghazni province. Every day there is exchange of fire with the rebels in the areas of responsibility of Battle Groups "Alpha" and "Bravo". Only last week the Poles seized over 500 kilograms of raw materials for explosives production, hundreds of rounds of big calibre ammunition, 12 IEDs and communication equipment. A dozen of suspected terrorists have been also detained.

Special Forces soldiers also demonstrated their effectiveness by neutralizing a cache of 11 ready to use IEDs. On June 17, during a joint patrol with Afghan Security Forces, Polish "Specials" found, in one of the rebels' caches, artillery shells and several booby-traps - including three 40 kg IEDs. The activities of Polish Special Forces were supported by the sappers of the Engineering Group "Alfa" and operatives of the Military Counterintelligence Service (SKW). A day earlier, thanks to information gained by SKW, 800 rounds of ammunition caliber 12.7 mm were found in the district Khwajah Omari.

During combined operation of Polish Special Forces, Afghan security forces, Military Intelligence Service (SWW) and helicopters from the Independent Air-Assault Group (SGPSz) a secret cache was discovered in a district bordering the city of Ghazni, containing 350 kg of ingredients for explosives production, rifles and IEDs. The object located by the SWW officers was very well protected, so the approaching Polish-Afghan group was met with fire. After a brief fight the rebels fled. At the same time, during "Operation Red Storm" soldiers from Battle Group "Alpha" intercepted two repeaters - electronic aids extending the range of communication equipment.

Once again, unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV) proved very useful for Polish Task Force in Aghanistan. On June the 7th the system operator observed six insurgents planting an IED. After positive identification of targets the air support was summoned to the indicated region. Following an exchange of fire four terrorists were killed and the IED was neutralized. A similar scenario took place on June 16, when the system operator noticed a group of suspects watching the Poles during their operation in the Waghez district. Quick Reaction Force - made up with Special Forces operatives and supported by SGPSz helicopters - was sent to the indicated region, where they arrested 13 people suspected of terrorist activity and seized 300 kilograms of raw materials for the production of explosives.

Since April the Poles seized 1.5 tons of explosives, large quantities of components for the production of IEDs, more than 150 rockets, artillery shells and grenades of various types, dozens of small arms and hundreds of rounds of ammunition. Moreover they neutralized 67 IEDs and liquidated 11 caches with weapons and ammunition. During those the activities more than 120 insurgents have been detained, 20 terrorists have been wounded and 65 died in combat.

Marek11111Threads: 49 Posts: 1,954 Joined: Aug 6, 09 ♂	Jun 23, 11, 22:36 #64
Poland needs to get the hell out of Afghanistan and NATO, Poland needs to create a Slavic military alliance with Russia to stop the imperialistic behavior of U.S. and western Europe

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Jun 24, 11, 19:06 #65
It likely will. America is taking out troops as of late next week. It is phasing out til Aug 2012. Poland will take the cue from that and return the soldiers to home base. Operation Moshtarak was an unmitigated failure and now they are seeking to negotiate peace talks with the Taliban. Rather stupid given that NATO started the war but there we go.

PennBoyThreads: 157 Posts: 3,443 Joined: Dec 7, 08 ♂	Jun 24, 11, 19:26 #66
Seanus: It is phasing out til Aug 2012. 10 thousand this year, 23 thousand next year, and 64 thousand 2014. It's not a total failure many of Taliban leaders were killed (although I'm sure can be easily replaced) missions using the Predator drones killed thousands of insurgents saving many coalition troop's lives. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/kill-capture/

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Jun 24, 11, 19:39 #67

I read 2012, Penn. To the best of my knowledge, Obama promised only to withdraw in July 2011 and set a provisional date of Aug 2012 but mark my words, the troops will be there for longer. Throw 30,000 more in, as he did, withdraw 10,000 and you still have more in than at the start. Penn, you know I like your posts but please try and see the spin here. I can't prove those deaths as you can't either. It's all stuff thrown down onto newspapers but we are being fed a pack of lies. Had those drones NOT been efficacious then heads would have been taken to the guillotine. NATO have a history of denying failures as we saw recently in Libya where a helicopter was likely taken down. Those drones breached the territorial integrity of Pakistan and also killed many civilians. I can appreciate that collateral damage happens but we are talking about remote, mountainous locations where leaders are elusive and their deaths cannot be properly confirmed. Take OBL, for example. Where is the video proving his death? They said they had one. The CIA admitted to faking earlier videos of him. All I'm saying is 'be careful what you believe in'. One of the biggest mistakes is just to believe in what we are fed by the media.

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Jun 24, 11, 19:51 #68

Seanus:

I read 2012, Penn.

Obama meant the 33,000 additional troops he ordered since taking office, pullout by next summer. The other 64K will stay till 2014. http://articles.cnn.com/2011-06-22/politics/afghanistan.troops.drawdow n_1_afghanistan-drawdown-surge-forces-president-barack-obama?_s=PM:POL ITICS

Seanus:

Penn, you know I like your posts but please try and see the spin here. I can't prove those deaths as you can't either.

I wouldn't trust no "official" government sources on insurgent death tolls but if a few independent newspapers say 12,000 killed of captured there should be some truth. Even If was 2 thousand killed and 10 thousand captured.

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Jun 24, 11, 19:58 #69

Wow, talk about being a sneaky sod. He won the Nobel Peace Prize for his cabinet whilst sending many off to their deaths, then he will look like a good man for saving their lives and withdrawing them.

Well, it's good to corroborate sources for sure but I feel the issue is too 'weighted' and too many necks are on the line for the real truth to out. McCain, to his credit, roasted a senior officer (not Petraeus but a similar guy) in a congressional hearing. He wanted a more truthful reflection of the reality on the ground there but I can't help but feeling that even that was staged. Politics is art and crafts! I'm sorry for my sceptical cynicism but I feel that that's what goes on in reality.

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Jun 24, 11, 20:07 #70

Seanus:

Wow, talk about being a sneaky sod.

Well you know it's re-election time people are fed up with a war going on for 10 years and costing 100 billion dollars annually. When and if he does get re-elected his tone may change once again or we can get sucked into yet another war.

Seanus:

McCain, to his credit, roasted a senior officer

Seanus:

but I can't help but feeling that even that was staged.

McCain knows when to get on camera and when to keep his mouth shut, but he isn't Mr. Nice guy all the way. He's still living in the Vietnam era believing Russia is the main threat to America. People like that are warmongers. Maybe we need an actor or a florist as president ;)

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Jun 24, 11, 20:12 #71

I know but why can't people stick with the facts? He has steadily been making a hash of Afghanistan and a few choice words in pre-election time are supposed to change that? The facts are that NATO isn't winning the war in Afghanistan and it is costing the taxpayer a lot to fill the pockets of arms firms.

McCain is too much about glory and such a guy has no place when pragmatism is needed. Poland, well, it's practise for the troops but they have to ask themselves what the benefits for the country are.

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Jun 24, 11, 20:23 #72

Seanus:

costing the taxpayer a lot to fill the pockets of arms firms.

It's all business taxpayers pay for American made weapons coming from companies employing Americans, less orders less jobs (just like with the prison system) I read an interesting article in U.S. News and World Report about America's intention to wage non stop war over the next 20 years, Iran, North Korea,. As for economy I guess they're looking for other ways to fill the gaps, I doubt there will be a lowering on military spending.

Seanus:

Poland, well, it's practise for the troops but they have to ask themselves what the benefits for the country are.

It's costing Poland a billion a year, that money could be used in so many other places.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Jun 24, 11, 20:37 #73
The PNAC would be a key read in that context. The likes of Wolfowitz, Perle and other lovely folks ;) ;) were behind it (Feith etc). Truly sad in effect but important for insights into the beast. Poland could spend that money much more wisely. A billion? Are you sure? To stay onside with America and NATO? That's the price of perceived safety, I guess.

PennBoyThreads: 157 Posts: 3,443 Joined: Dec 7, 08 ♂	Jun 24, 11, 20:59 #74
He's a nice new documentary on the war, Afghanistan War Without End http://www.putlocker.com/file/F559DD131482714B

saschaThreads: 13 Posts: 3,856 Joined: Jun 10, 10 ♂	Jun 26, 11, 21:40 #75
PennBoy: Afghanistan War Without End i read today an article on rt that the people in afghanistan were much better of with the taliban. looking what is going on there right now seems to be logic. not a day without bombing goes by. civilians or nato soldiers are dying, because of too motivated politics without a strategy...

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