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The Prime Ministers and Presidents who attended the funeral of Lech Kaczynski

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Edited by: Torq Apr 22, 10, 19:27 #1

The Prime Minister of Azerbadijan - Abrahamyan Hovik

Çox Sağol!

The President of Czech Republic - Vaclav Klaus with his wife

Ďakujeme!

The Prime Minister of Estonia - Andrus Ansip

Aitäh!

The President of Georgia (flew to Poland from USA!) - Micheil Saakaszwili
with his wife

თჰანქ yოუ

The President of Kosovo - Fatmir Sejdiu

Faleminderit!

The President of Lithuania - Dalia Grybauskaite

Ačiū!

The President of Latvia - Valdis Zatlers with his wife

Paldies!

The Prime Minister of Morocco - Abbas El Fassi

شكرا

The President of Moldavia - Mihai Ghimpu

Mulţumesc!

The President of Germany - Horst Köhler with his wife

Danke schön!

The President of Russia - Dmitri Miedwiediew

Cпасибо!

The President of Romania - Traian Băsescu

Mulţumesc!

The President of Slovakia - Ivan Gašparovic with his wife
The Prime Minister of Slovakia - Robert Fico

Ďakujeme!

The President of Slovenia - Danilo Türk

Hvala!

The President of Ukraine - Wiktor Janukowycz

Дякуємо!

and last, but most certainly not the least...

The President of Hungary - László Sólyom
The Prime Minister of Hungary - Gordon Bajnai

Köszönjük Szépen!

Thank you very much, friends. Poland will remember that you were here
to say the last farewell to our President. Nothing's forgotten!

pgtxThreads: 49 Posts: 6,327 Joined: Feb 14, 09 MEMBER ♀	Apr 22, 10, 19:30 #2
pretty colors, Torq... :)

1jolaThreads: 33 Posts: 2,737 Joined: Sep 23, 08 ♂	Apr 22, 10, 19:33 #3
One president who chose not to make it was Lech Wałęsa.

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,024 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER ♂	Edited by: Torq Apr 22, 10, 19:34 #4
1jola: One president who chose not to make it was Lech Wałęsa. Did he blame it on the ash cloud?

shushThreads: 5 Posts: 552 Joined: Dec 20, 09 ♀	Apr 22, 10, 19:43 #5
1jola: One president who chose not to make it was Lech Wałęsa. He is not a president any more so it was up to him to go there or not.

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,024 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER ♂	Apr 22, 10, 19:49 #6
shush: He is not a president any more so it was up to him to go there or not. Anyway, I guess Lech Kaczyński wouldn't be too sad if he knew that Agent Bolek didn't attend his funeral, and Agent Bolek had enough decency not to show up.

1jolaThreads: 33 Posts: 2,737 Joined: Sep 23, 08 ♂	Apr 22, 10, 19:58 #7
That sums it up nicely. Big respect to Saakaszvili.

shushThreads: 5 Posts: 552 Joined: Dec 20, 09 ♀	Apr 22, 10, 20:00 #8
Torq: Anyway, I guess Lech Kaczyński wouldn't be too sad if he knew that Agent Bolek didn't attend his funeral, and Agent Bolek had enough decency not to show up. The "normal" hatred is back? I hoped it will be better for longer but unfortunately i was wrong. Lech Kaczynski would not be sad coz of Walesa but certainly he would be sad seeing all the arguments and hate

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Apr 22, 10, 20:12 #9
Interesting that the President of Kosovo did make it but the president of Serbia couldn't be bothered to show up. I wonder what Crow will have to say about that.

pgtxThreads: 49 Posts: 6,327 Joined: Feb 14, 09 MEMBER ♀	Apr 22, 10, 20:16 #10
Harry: I wonder what Crow will have to say about that. he's very ashamed and sorry... he apologized us a hundred times already... poor Crow...

JedThreads: - Posts: 235 Joined: Apr 10, 10 ♂	Edited by: Jed Apr 22, 10, 20:20 #11
1jola: Big respect to Saakaszvili. Interesting, he showed that this "ash" danger wasn't a danger at all? Shame to Obama and others in this case. Rising some stupid questions also.

shushThreads: 5 Posts: 552 Joined: Dec 20, 09 ♀	Apr 22, 10, 20:28 #12
Jed: Interesting, he showed that this "ash" danger wasn't a danger at all? Shame to Obama and others in this case. Rising some stupid questions also. He just showed that he is ok with risking own life and lives of other people for some funeral. That's all.

richasisThreads: 5 Posts: 833 Joined: Jul 25, 09 ♂	Apr 22, 10, 20:33 #13
Very nicely done, Torq! :)

convexThreads: 46 Posts: 7,185 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Apr 22, 10, 22:44 #14
No thanks to the US for flying in your dead for burial? shush: Lech Kaczynski would not be sad coz of Walesa but certainly he would be sad seeing all the arguments and hate Yes, because if anything, Kaczynski hated provocation and arguments...

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Apr 22, 10, 22:53 #15
Britain and America notable in their cretinous absences!

jessicahumphreyThreads: 2 Posts: 9 Joined: Jan 27, 10 ♀	Apr 22, 10, 23:04 #16
I apologize on behalf of America for Obama not coming. I don't understand why he didn't. Many Americans are fed up with Obama not doing anything.

Mr GrunwaldThreads: 34 Posts: 2,358 Joined: Dec 16, 08 ♂	Apr 22, 10, 23:09 #17
Nice of them to come, especially Micheil Saakaszwili!!!

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Apr 23, 10, 00:50 #18

convex:

No thanks to the US for flying in your dead for burial?

What’s with the US flying the dead, it’s the second time I’m reading this remark from you. Correct me if I’m wrong but the plane in question is not a US property although US has its share in it. It was bought by many countries and operates within NATO. It’s like a timeshare deal, owned by many nations and US being simply a partner in that deal. Each country that owns the share is entitled to operate the plane for its own purpose and entitled to so many flying hours. During that time the plane carries the insignia of the country operating it at the moment. Poland paid in part for that plane contributed two pilots and one navigator to its operations not to mention the ground support personnel and this year we still have 150 flight hours left to use the way we see fit. In case you missed the video when it flew in to Warsaw it had Polish checkered board on its tail, go check the video. Don’t try to make it sound like you do us a favor when in fact you’re just a part owner. Being a timeshare holder you stand in line to use it as everyone else. This mission was not flown on your dime, so there’s no need to thank you period.

convexThreads: 46 Posts: 7,185 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Edited by: convex Apr 23, 10, 01:00 #19
The entire crew was a USAF crew from Dover for that flight. You're right about the planes being part of NATO HAW.

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,181 Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂	Edited by: jonni Apr 23, 10, 01:06 #20
Seanus: Britain and America notable in their cretinous absences! Would you want them to attend either of the brothers' funerals unless they absolutely had to? Lech Kaczyński was no Lech Wałesa. But then again, both countries sent their ambassadors and one of those two countries is in the later stages of a complicated election.

convexThreads: 46 Posts: 7,185 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Apr 23, 10, 01:35 #21
And just a side note, the colors and the roundel on the plane are Hungarian. That doesn't change, as they are always based out of Papa. Most flights are done with mixed crews. It's not only equipment sharing, it's cross training the crews. I met a Norwegian who was doing training in a T6 who was learning to fly with American crews for HAW at Altus AFB.

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Apr 23, 10, 02:11 #22

convex:

And just a side note, the colors and the roundel on the plane are Hungarian. That doesn't change, as they are always based out of Papa.

Regardless, in terms how it’s structured it works like this; SAC nations estimated their annual requirements in terms of flight hours including support to NATO, EU, and the UN. HAW aircrew, regardless of nationality, will fly all types of HAW missions, regardless of the SAC nation requesting the mission, so in fact it was not even at the discretion of US personnel to fly this particular mission but their duty as a signatory country participating in the SAC. Poland simply used part of its shared flight hours and US air crew who happened to be on duty at the time are simply hired hand. Yes I might thank them individually but US deserves neither thanks nor credit. You did not pay for this mission nor volunteered your services or equipment; another words you did not do anything other than what’s required of you, you were simply doing what’s in the contract. If it was the Polish crew flying the mission for US would we be taking all the credit and pretend to do you a favor? Don’t be ridicules.

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Edited by: Torq Apr 23, 10, 07:52 #23

convex:

No thanks to the US for flying in your dead for burial?

convex:

Wow, no thanks for the help huh?

convex:

Wait, so no thank you from Poland? What an ungrateful country... First to b*tch, last to thank...

OK. Now, concentrate - the title of this thread is "The Prime Ministers and Presidents
who attended the funeral of Lech Kaczynski".

I will spell it for you again, just in case you still missed it: P-R-I-M-E M-I-N-I-S-T-E-R-S
and P-R-E-S-I-D-E-N-T-S W-H-O A-T-T-E-N-D-E-D T-H-E F-U-N-E-R-A-L O-F L-E-C-H
K-A-C-Z-Y-N-S-K-I.

The thread doesn't even mention the delegations of countries who sent lower rank
representatives, so if you want to moan and ***** about nobody thanking your air
force, then please do it in some other thread.

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Apr 23, 10, 10:51 #24

ShortHairThug:

Poland simply used part of its shared flight hours and US air crew who happened to be on duty at the time are simply hired hand. Yes I might thank them individually but US deserves neither thanks nor credit.

There is an agreement in place for allocating flight hours. In fact, the USAF scrapped two days worth of missions to make the flight.

Torq:

The thread doesn't even mention the delegations of countries who sent lower rank
representatives, so if you want to moan and ***** about nobody thanking your air
force, then please do it in some other thread.

You're right, I'm just hoping that you "remember your friends" as you mentioned in the other thread.

MareGaeaThreads: 45 Posts: 5,527 Joined: Feb 6, 08 ♂	Apr 23, 10, 11:52 #25
Especially for you, Torq: the Tulip that was named after Maria Kaczynska two years ago, the -surprisingly-"Maria Kaczynska". It was placed near her coffin. http://www.agrass.nl/Layout/Menu/Mariakaczynska.htm Would've put just pictures in here, but it wouldn't let me. >^..^< M-G (it seems to have taken 18 years to create the cream/yellow coloured beautiful flower)

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Edited by: skysoulmate Apr 23, 10, 14:09 #26

jessicahumphrey:

I apologize on behalf of America for Obama not coming. I don't understand why he didn't. Many Americans are fed up with Obama not doing anything.

Please do not appologize on behalf of all Americans. I disagree with his policies 95% of the time but I think the decision not to attend was very logical.

I'm glad other dignitaries made it in. A funeral a week or so later would've brought in many, many more presidents and prime ministers.

http://www.polishforums.com/news-politics-4/polish-moroccan-mutual-rel ations-43432/3/ post #67

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,955 Joined: May 17, 07 ♂	Apr 23, 10, 14:14 #27
Torq: The President of Kosovo - Fatmir Sejdiu Faleminderit! You should not show that to Crow.

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Edited by: ShortHairThug Apr 23, 10, 15:19 #28

convex:

There is an agreement in place for allocating flight hours. In fact, the USAF scrapped two days worth of missions to make the flight.

In fact the mission was reprioritized and it still will be done sometime in the near future, this sort of thing happens all the time not just in a military world but believe it or not it also happens in the civilian world. As a co-owner, Poland requested the use of the plane during the time of her need and was granted this request by all other co-owners of the plane even if it meant a change of rotation or slight inconvenience without any objection or demand for some special recognition for such decision. Only Americans seem to think that doing a decent thing warrants eternal gratitude, that they deserve something special, that world owes them simply for giving up their turn in rotation or someone else’s turn and because of that decision they will experience a slight inconvenience. No other nation stipulated a terms for granting this request, had no objections and does not badger us about it. Just because it was an American crew that flew this particular mission they must have done something extraordinary, something John Wane or Rambo sort of thing and once again in a true Hollywood style saved the day once again. I give up my seat all the time, I hold the doors open for people simply because it’s a decent thing to do especially when someone has his hands full, and I have no need for special recognition or gratitude, on a contrary it makes me feel good about myself, perhaps you should try it instead of acting like spoiled brat. “World owes us” – indeed.

EDIT: Simply for helping out a friend in need I would never demand a payment or gratitude. You might be a decent chap so don’t take it personally it’s just my opinion.

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Apr 24, 10, 16:04 #29

ShortHairThug:

I give up my seat all the time, I hold the doors open for people simply because it’s a decent thing to do especially when someone has his hands full, and I have no need for special recognition or gratitude, on a contrary it makes me feel good about myself, perhaps you should try it instead of acting like spoiled brat. “World owes us” – indeed.

Good for you, maybe you should read up on the context of a post before rendering an opinion. The entire post is in referece to Torqs comment about "knowing who our friends are". I thought it was a dickish comment. I could care less about getting a thank you out of it, I didn't even do anything, I don't need a thank you. But to say that you know who your friends are based on who attended the funeral, and implied that those not showing up were snubbing Poland, it was uncalled for. There is a difference between just saying thank you, and making a comment like that. I just wanted to make sure that Torq realized that the USAF helped out in Polands time of need. I guess if that's a snub, than so be it. Strange place.

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Edited by: Torq Apr 24, 10, 18:25 #30

convex:

The entire post is in referece to Torqs comment about "knowing who
our friends are". I thought it was a dickish comment (...) But to say that you know
who your friends are based on who attended the funeral, and implied that those not
showing up were snubbing Poland, it was uncalled for. There is a difference
between just saying thank you, and [b]making a comment like that.[/b]

OK - now, please show me, where in this thread did I write anything about "knowing
who our friends are" or "implied that those not showing up snubbed Poland".
Where did I make "a comment like that"?

It only takes one look at the first post in this thread to see that apart from thanking
those friends of Poland who showed up at the funeral (Presidents and Prime Ministers)
I wrote...

Torq:

Thank you very much, friends. Poland will remember that you were here
to say the last farewell to our President. Nothing's forgotten!

...nothing more, nothing less. I didn't even mention with a single word those who didn't
come to the funeral.

Whether American (or any other) delegation "snubbed" Poland or not, by using
the ash cloud as a convenient excuse not to attend the funeral is a different
matter. This thread is to say thank you to those who said their last farewell
to our late President.

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