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Putin: Russians, Poles seek to build trust

3 May 2010 | 13:53 | Source: Ria novosti
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/world-article.php?yyyy=2010&mm=05&dd=03&na v_id=66891

MOSCOW -- Russia and Poland have a common stake in building mutual trust, Russian PM Vladimir Putin said in a message to the Polish people on Constitution Day.

"I am sure that the peoples of our two countries, who recently together went through a tragic event, are interested in the strengthening of mutual trust and understanding," Putin said in a congratulatory telegram to his counterpart, Donald Tusk, a government statement said.

"The widening of genuine friendly and mutually-advantageous relations between Russia and Poland is likewise important from the point of view of the guarantee of stability and security in Europe," he added.



MediaWatchThreads: 31
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Joined: Aug 30, 08 ♂ 		 May 4, 10, 22:00    #2
I am all for Poles and Russians having better relations.

But I just wish Poland would get those black boxes of the crashed plane back already. I don't see why Moscow needs to keep on holding onto them considering the openess that was suppose to occur about this investigation.

In my opinion those black boxes should have been given back to Poland already and checked for tampering, etc.
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MediaWatch:
In my opinion those black boxes should have been given back to Poland already and checked for tampering, etc.


No need. Poland already has their own version of the black box (presumably for military use) which was handed to Poland almost instantly - partially because the Russians couldn't do anything with it.
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Joined: Jan 19, 09 ♂ [Suspended] 		 May 4, 10, 22:07    #4
delphiandomine:
No need. Poland already has their own version of the black box (presumably for military use) which was handed to Poland almost instantly - partially because the Russians couldn't do anything with it.

Rubbish much, what you're referring to is an incomplete recorder we still need black boxes proper.
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delphiandomine:
partially because the Russians couldn't do anything with it.


It had to be handed to manufacturer (Polish company) for retreiving data anyway. So, it was moved to Warsaw quickly. There is another copy of data that contained in parametric recorder (one of two "black/orange boxes") - so there is two copies of parametric data exist - one from russian made recorder retreived in Moscow with participation of Polish officials and another copy is retreived in Warsaw from polish-made recorder with participation of Russian officials.

Sokrates:
what you're referring to is an incomplete recorder we still need black boxes proper.


It is separate parametric recorder, used to analyze aircraft performance after flight. Usually not survive a crash, but this time it was in decent condition. There is same set of data as on one of two emergency recorders.
SeanusThreads: 22
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Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂ 		 Sep 30, 10, 22:55    #6

I guess he seeks cooperation with Germans too. Wow, his German is immense.

Tusk and Kommie have to be firm with this man. No passivity!
Polonius3Threads: 1,005
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Joined: Apr 11, 08 ♂ 		 Sep 30, 10, 23:14    #7
As a long-standing KGB operative in the DDR it's no wonder he spricht Deutsch so gut!
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Russia isn’t hated by (most of) its neighbors

June 8, 2010
http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/2010/06/08/russia-isnt-hated/
Conflating the West with the world won’t change the fact that amongst the peoples of China, India, and most of the Middle East and Latin America – that is, the regions containing the bulk of the world’s population and future economic potential - Russia is actually viewed rather favorably. But what about peoples recently liberated from the oppressive, iron boots of Russian chauvinism – surely they dislike Russia? Not that simple. Some sure do – Estonians, Poles, West Ukrainians, Georgians… But plenty more don’t (Armenians, Bulgarians, East Ukrainians). It’s a complex picture of significant political and geopolitical import.
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Crow:
Conflating the West with the world won’t change the fact that amongst the peoples of China, India, and most of the Middle East and Latin America – that is, the regions containing the bulk of the world’s population and future economic potential - Russia is actually viewed rather favorably.

Indeed, this is most welcome (albeit unsurprising) news. It will be interesting to see how this plays out when the West instigates its badly needed WWIII.
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Joined: Jul 25, 09 ♂ 		Edited by: richasis  Oct 1, 10, 04:32    #10
An article by Eric Walberg:The new Ottomans and the new Byzantines are poised for an intercept as the US stumbles in the current Great Game.

"In a delicious irony, invasions by the US and Israel in the Middle East and Eurasia have not cowed the countries affected, but emboldened them to work together, creating the basis for a new alignment of forces, including Russia, Turkey, Syria and Iran."

"Russia holds another intriguing key to peace in the Middle East. Zionism from the start was a secular socialist movement, with religious conservative Jews strongly opposed, a situation that continues even today, despite the defection of many under blandishments from the likes of Ben Gurion and Netanyahu. Like the Palestinians, True Torah Jews don’t recognise the “Jewish state”."

"But wait! There is a legitimate Jewish state, a secular one set up in 1928 in Birobidjan Russia, in accordance with Soviet secular nationalities policies. There is nothing stopping the entire population of Israeli Jews, orthodox and secular alike, from decamping to this Jewish homeland, blessed with abundant raw materials, Golda Meir’s “a land without a people for a people without a land”. It has taken on a new lease on life since the collapse of the Soviet Union. Russian President Dmitri Medvedev made an unprecedented visit this summer, the first ever of a Russian (or Soviet) leader and pointed out the strong Russian state support it has as a Jewish homeland where Yiddish, the secular language of European Jews (not sacred Hebrew), is the state language."
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Badly needed WWIII? Geez, I'd wring the necks of those globalist, shadow players. This is NOT a joke, people should not have to fight or to be placed in danger as a result of the games that they play.

They should be rich enough to find another planet on which to play their war games. I'm sick and fed up of greedy folk putting others in harm's way through their megalomaniacal tendencies.
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This doesn't help matters...

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2010/oct/01/russia-arrests-polish-repo rters-at-plane-wreckage/
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Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂ 		 Oct 2, 10, 12:40    #13
I'm sure that Russian government want Poles to trust them - it would make they work easer !
What're the terms ? I suppose the crappy ones:)
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Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂ 		 Oct 2, 10, 12:41    #14
It most certainly doesn't and the West will be behind Poland. Yes, there are politically sensitive places but freedom is our way, not the Russian way. Their treatment of journalists on 10/04 was well wide of the mark. Letting them do their work then would have gone a long way towards increasing trust levels but they were true to form.
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Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂ 		 Oct 2, 10, 12:49    #15
Seanus:
Letting them do their work

making pictures in Russia is considered as a spaying or something a very akin to it!:)
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Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂ 		 Oct 2, 10, 12:53    #16
They could plead territorial jurisdiction, yes, but this is about international relations and thus they can't be so boorish about it.

I-S, they wouldn't like Banksy then :)
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Seanus:
I-S, they wouldn't like Banksy then :)

?
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Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂ 		 Oct 2, 10, 13:07    #18
I haven't seen too many other gestures from Vlad. What I do see is Russia likely making off with NATO codes and not fully participating with their Polish counterparts. People can see through politicians and people are the most important in theory.
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Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂ 		 Oct 2, 10, 13:17    #19
I think that nobody takes this seriously. Russia would have to work hard for Polish trust. Putin's words are only a political game and possibly an internal gambit.
It would take much more then that for Poles to trust Russia.
One way or another I don't think that somebody cares about it, only Crow, grasping at straws!
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Joined: Dec 30, 09 ♂ 		 Oct 2, 10, 13:22    #20
Seanus:
I haven't seen too many other gestures from Vlad.


Except the impaling?
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Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂ 		 Oct 2, 10, 13:25    #21
I-S, it's no coincidence that they are the best chess players in the world. However, Poland are ranked no14 so they are no slouches either. The politicians can do what they want and try and mastermind the illusion of cordial ties. The people know different and rightly don't trust so quickly.
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Seanus:
it's no coincidence that they are the best chess players in the world

they train hard! Poles just enjoy the game!
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Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂ 		 Oct 2, 10, 13:32    #23
In classic Russian fashion, they claimed the best as their own but he was Azerbaijani (of Armenian Jewish stock) and not pure Russian.

Socko and Krasenkow are pure Poles.
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S-s Евреи, well the game is only a game, but there no game as the great game :)
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The Jews again :) You can't suddenly base trust on a dubious offer to head up an investigation. It was all too convenient for the Russian administration that that happened.
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Seanus:
You can't suddenly base trust on a dubious offer to head up an investigation.

Who?What? and if there no clear why, there no place for trust. It begs an investigation -who and why? !
Seanus:
The Jews again :)

Seanus:
f Armenian Jewish stock

really ?:)
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Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂ 		 Oct 2, 10, 14:16    #27
Putin tried to make out that they were treating it with the utmost importance by installing himself as the head of it. Poles will see things which don't add up and there are hardly any smarter people on the planet to do that.
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Joined: Dec 30, 09 ♂ 		 Oct 2, 10, 14:35    #28
Russians have winner mentality.I see this with the girls.In a relation with them you are going to be fuckked not them.
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Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂ 		 Oct 2, 10, 14:44    #29
KP, maybe some talk about sth non-sexual for a change. Perhaps the thread?
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Seanus:
Poles will see things which don't add up

I think that video fits here as it is not really about Obama :

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