Referendum on a statue for Lech Kaczynski in Warsaw?

sobieskiThreads: 82 Posts: 1,143 Joined: Jun 1, 08 ♂	Jun 7, 11, 15:55 #1
I have been reading in various papers from time to time that HGW plans to organize a referendum for the duck to get a statue here in Warsaw. What is the status on that one? Mind you, I think PIS and the namiotists would not be glad to have this referendum....

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Jun 7, 11, 16:52 #2
As if Warsaw hasn't got enough things to spend its money on! Why spend all that cash on a referendum to which the result is blindingly obvious? If the Crossists want a statue of their fallen messiah, they can first pay for the referendum approving it (and then for the statue).

Antek_StalichThreads: 6 Posts: 1,533 Joined: May 6, 11 ♂	Jun 7, 11, 17:06 #3
Such initiative failed in Toruń.

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Jun 7, 11, 17:11 #4

Just gather the money, buy a plot and build a statue for LK - the best president Poland have had since
WW2. Simple as that. There's enough of us, proper Poles, to raise funds for a 50 metres high, golden
statue :-)

Such solution has one more positive side to it - we won't have to ask all the sodomites, cosmopolites,
europhiles and moral prostitutes for their permission in some ridiculous referendum.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Jun 7, 11, 17:17 #5
Oh gawd....monuments to worship politicians....I really hoped Europe had moved beyond that! :(

Antek_StalichThreads: 6 Posts: 1,533 Joined: May 6, 11 ♂	Jun 7, 11, 17:24 #6
Bratwurst Boy: I really hoped Europe had moved beyond that The LK followers are against United Europe, didn't you already get it, BB?

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,024 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER ♂	Edited by: Torq Jun 7, 11, 17:27 #7
Bratwurst Boy: monuments to worship politician Not to worship but to commemorate. the fact that such statue would annoy moral dwarves and political wh0res is an additional bonus :-)

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Jun 7, 11, 17:31 #8
Antek_Stalich: The LK followers are against United Europe, didn't you already get it, BB? Wait...didn't LK subscribe to the Lisbon Treaty????

Antek_StalichThreads: 6 Posts: 1,533 Joined: May 6, 11 ♂	Edited by: Antek_Stalich Jun 7, 11, 17:32 #9
Torq: Not to worship, but to commemorate Wawel is not good enough!

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,024 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER ♂	Jun 7, 11, 17:36 #10
Antek_Stalich: Wawel is not enough! Ha, ha, feckin' ha. rolling eyes

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Edited by: sobieski Jun 7, 11, 17:56 #11

Torq:

Just gather the money, buy a plot and build a statue for LK - the best president Poland have had since
WW2. Simple as that. There's enough of us, proper Poles, to raise funds for a 50 metres high, golden
statue :-)

Such solution has one more positive side to it - we won't have to ask all the sodomites, cosmopolites,
europhiles and moral prostitutes for their permission in some ridiculous referendum.

I think the citizens of Warsaw should have the decisive vote on that one. I think they will tell no 120% :)))
Why a "ridiculous referendum" by the way ?
Other side I think the smolenkists would gladly prefer to replace Good Old Zygmunt on his column by the duck.

Antek_StalichThreads: 6 Posts: 1,533 Joined: May 6, 11 ♂	Jun 7, 11, 17:58 #12
Torq: Just gather the money, buy a plot and build a statue for LK And pay the property tax annually.

sobieskiThreads: 82 Posts: 1,143 Joined: Jun 1, 08 ♂	Jun 7, 11, 18:00 #13
Torq: There's enough of us, proper Poles, to raise funds for a 50 metres high, golden statue :-) Maybe you could at it to the madness already displayed in Licheń? Maybe financed by some non-EU geothermal swindle?

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Jun 7, 11, 18:08 #14

Antek_Stalich:

Such initiative failed in Toruń.

Going back to the old days with that one lol

Wehrmacht soldier holds Lenin's nose

Antek_StalichThreads: 6 Posts: 1,533 Joined: May 6, 11 ♂	Edited by: Antek_Stalich Jun 7, 11, 18:16 #15
The matter of LK statue had been already discussed and the "Museum of Lech Kaczyński Martyrdom (and probably of some other victims of the Smolensk Crime)" was selected as the most sound concept that nobody could contest. The small type text reads: "The current President office moved to Łomianki".

sobieskiThreads: 82 Posts: 1,143 Joined: Jun 1, 08 ♂	Jun 7, 11, 18:23 #16
Antek_Stalich: The current President office moved to Łomianki". Why to Łomianki ????

Antek_StalichThreads: 6 Posts: 1,533 Joined: May 6, 11 ♂	Edited by: Antek_Stalich Jun 7, 11, 18:25 #17
sobieski: Why to Łomianki ???? Don't ask me. I have not voted :-) Seriously, the pictures I have shown are the Facebook/Demotywatory.pl representation what Polish youth think about Kaczyński's brothers. You better not ask what Upper Silesians think of Jarek. He lost any elections there totally. Suicidal maniac.

DaisyThreads: 16 Posts: 2,172 Joined: Apr 28, 07 ♀	Jun 7, 11, 18:27 #18
Bratwurst Boy: Oh gawd....monuments to worship politicians....I really hoped Europe had moved beyond that! :( The students have to have somewhere to put the parking cones on a Saturday night

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Jun 7, 11, 18:29 #19

sobieski:

the duck

You are talking about the president of my country (a country in which you are a guest) who died tragically
on his way to commemorate Polish citizens murdered by the Soviets. Surely even in your tiny statelet
people show some respect to the deceased?

Antek_Stalich:

And pay the property tax annually.

Sure. Just to see the look that Gazeta Wyborcza readers' would have on their faces while passing
the monument everyday - it would be worth it :-)

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Edited by: Antek_Stalich Jun 7, 11, 18:31 #20

Torq:

You are talking about the president of my country (a country in which you are a guest) who died tragically
on his way to commemorate Polish citizens murdered by the Soviets.

He was a suicidal maniac, too, causing the death of almost a hundred of his followers by desperate need to show off in Katyń at any price, and also killed couple of completely innocent people.

Torq:

Sure. Just to see the look that Gazeta Wyborcza readers' would have on their faces while passing
the monument everyday - it would be worth it :-)

Do I need to remind you what was constantly happening to the statue of Feliks Dzierżyński and how the statue ended up?

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Edited by: sobieski Jun 7, 11, 18:39 #21

Torq:

You are talking about the president of my country (a country in which you are a guest) who died tragically
on his way to commemorate Polish citizens murdered by the Soviets. Surely even in your tiny statelet
people show some respect to the deceased?

Yes but I prefer to reserve my respect for people who deserve it. Not for a religious fanatic.
By the way I am not a "guest" here. I am a EU citizen (not a concept you can grasp) living in another EU country, working here, paying taxes here and fully entitled to my opinions. Deceased should know their place. The arrogance of disturbing the Old Marshal...breathtaking.
And the idea to pollute a true hero (Prince Poniatowski) by another statue?

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Jun 7, 11, 18:40 #22

Antek_Stalich:

He was a suicidal maniac, too, causing the death of almost 100 hundred of his followers by desperate need to
show off in Katyń at any price, and also killed couple of completely innocent people.

Your interpretation of events, opinions and guesses are none of my concern. I am aware of the fact that
there are people in Poland who are allergic to anything connected with LK, and ready to slander him at every
opportunity, even after his death. However, their mental health is none of my concern either. I simply don't
like to see people, who are guests in our country, to show open contempt to the office of the President
of Republic of Poland, by insulting the tragically died president. That's all.

Antek_StalichThreads: 6 Posts: 1,533 Joined: May 6, 11 ♂	Edited by: Antek_Stalich Jun 7, 11, 18:43 #23
I'm the same as you, a Pole living in Poland and have completely different opinion. If LK died in car accident, would you call it "martyrdom'? Draw.

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Edited by: Torq Jun 7, 11, 18:52 #24

sobieski:

By the way I am not a "guest" here.

Oh, yes you are.

sobieski:

working here, paying taxes here

You are more than welcome to pay your taxes in any other country of your choice. Poland was doing
quite well without your taxes, so there's a chance she will survive without them again :-)

sobieski:

fully entitled to my opinions

There's a fine line between expressing an opinion and insulting a deceased person. When you refer
to the late president as "the duck", are you expressing an opinion or simply being disrespectful?

Antek_Stalich:

I'm the same as you, a Pole living in Poland and have completely different opinion. If LK died in car
accident, would you call it "martyrdom'? Draw.

When did I call his death "martyrdom"?

My point is: the man was Polish president, you didn't like him - I get it, BUT he was a democratically
elected president of Poland and he died in a tragic accident - why the contempt, why the name calling?
If only "michnikists" would show more respect, the "namiotists" would be much less agitated.

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Jun 7, 11, 18:52 #25

Torq:

I am aware of the fact that
there are people in Poland who are allergic to anything connected with LK, and ready to slander him at every
opportunity, even after his death

Wonder why that is? Maybe the same reason that his political party have been consigned to oblivion and he is remembered by those nutters with megaphones making an exhibition of themselves on Krakowskie Przedmiescie. At least his death spared Poland from more of his paranoia.

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Edited by: Antek_Stalich Jun 7, 11, 18:57 #26

Torq:

My point is: the man was Polish president, you didn't like him - I get it, BUT he was a democratically
elected president of Poland and he died in a tragic accident - why the contempt, why the name calling?
If only "michnikists" would show more respect, the "namiotists" would be much less agitated.

Do you remember the person called Gabriel Narutowicz? The one who became the first President of Poland after 123 years of partitions? Narutowicz died the same way as Abraham Lincoln did: shot by a crazy political opponent. I haven't seen many statues of Narutowicz.

JonnyM:

At least his death spared Poland from more of his paranoia.

Now, I deeply regret the Smolensk accident. Had it not happened, LK would shamefully lost elections. In the light of that: Why does LK deserve the statue if Narutowicz has been completely forgotten by "patriots"?

Let the guy R.I.P.

JonnyMThreads: 16 Posts: 4,487 Joined: Mar 9, 11 ♂	Jun 7, 11, 19:03 #27
Antek_Stalich: Gabriel Narutowicz? The one who became the first President of Poland after 123 years of partitions? A truly great man - perhaps a more prominent memorial to him is in order, instead of the duck.

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Edited by: Torq Jun 7, 11, 19:06 #28

Antek_Stalich:

I haven't seen many statues of Narutowicz.

Antek_Stalich:

Narutowicz has been completely forgotten by "patriots"?

In every Polish city I have lived so far (Gdańsk, Słupsk, Ustka, Jelenia Góra) there is
Narutowicz street. I'm quite sure that in most other Polish towns and cities you can
find ulica Narutowicza as well. The statues of Narutowicz are in Warszawa and Bielsk,
and there are also squares (in Warsaw and Bełchatów) and parks (in Częstochowa
for example) bearing his name. It would seem that he's not that forgotten.

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Jun 7, 11, 19:18 #29
Torq: In every Polish city I have lived so far (Gdańsk, Słupsk, Ustka, Jelenia Góra) there is Narutowicza street. And co-incidentally those are all cities in which there was a sudden need to think of lots of Polish names for streets which didn't used to have them.

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,024 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER ♂	Jun 7, 11, 19:21 #30
Harry: And co-incidentally those are all cities in which there was a sudden need to think of lots of Polish names for streets which didn't used to have them. You missed the next sentence... Torq: I'm quite sure that in most other Polish towns and cities you can find ulica Narutowicza as well. A couple of minutes of google search seems to confirm my suspicions.

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