Russian diplomat – How many Russians did Sikorski kill?

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Edited by: hague1cmaeron Aug 9, 11, 11:18 #1

Moscow's ambassador to NATO found himself at the centre of a media storm this morning after he wondered on his Facebook page about “how many Russians did Poland's foreign minister kill” while in Afghanistan in the 1980s working as a journalist.

http://www.thenews.pl/1/10/Artykul/53080,Russian-diplomat-%E2%80%93-Ho w-many-Russians-did-Sikorski-kill

Hopefully a sufficient amount to persuade the Russkies that their barbaric behaviour is unacceptable.

Any thoughts?

skysoulmateThreads: 41 Posts: 3,039 Joined: Jan 10, 10 ♂	Edited by: skysoulmate Aug 9, 11, 11:33 #2
Wow, I just got even more respect for Sikorski, didn't know about his journalistic adventure in Afghanistan. As far as Rogozin, he's a nationalist puppet, not much to be said about him really.

grubasThreads: 20 Posts: 1,452 Joined: Feb 1, 10 ♂	Edited by: grubas Aug 9, 11, 11:36 #3
Can somone smarter explain to me how American intervention in Afghanistan differs from Soviet one???Of course aside from the fact that Russians don't supply Talibs with their newest AA and AT missiles.

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Aug 9, 11, 11:49 #4

Can somone smarter explain to me how American intervention in Afghanistan differs from Soviet one???Of course aside from the fact that Russians don't supply Talibs with their newest AA and AT missiles.

Quite simple, the Taliban committed an act of war against Nato. As such Nato was entitled, according to the UN charter, to respond in self defence. The legality of the war against the Taliban has never been questioned.

The Soviets intervened to support a government, which is quite different.

grubasThreads: 20 Posts: 1,452 Joined: Feb 1, 10 ♂	Aug 9, 11, 11:52 #5
Quite simple, the Taliban committed an act of war against Nato. And how,where and when did they do that? The Soviets intervened to support a government, which is quite different. How is it different?This is exactly what Americans are doing now. Lets get back on topic, or start a thread in OT.

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Aug 9, 11, 11:56 #6

My simple answer to the OP is 'why now?'. I think I'll nominate myself for the post of genitalia kicker as hypothetical speculation on the past like that serves virtually no purpose. Bored minds are better taken out!

Sikorski is a NWO puppet. The guy is a paranoid clown who hides behind bigger players before spouting his nonsense. I doubt he killed anyone, though, as he was a journalist. Geez, shallow games!

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Aug 9, 11, 12:08 #7

My simple answer to the OP is 'why now?'. I think I'll nominate myself for the post of genitalia kicker as hypothetical speculation on the past like that serves virtually no purpose. Bored minds are better taken out!

Sikorski is a NWO puppet. The guy is a paranoid clown who hides behind bigger players before spouting his nonsense. I doubt he killed anyone, though, as he was a journalist. Geez, shallow games!

Don't you have a sense of fun, or don't you find the Russian diplomat's attitude of "how dare he take up arms against the great benevolent soviet union, who only wonted the best for Poland" humorous?

If I were Sikorski i would be really flattered, it just goes to show that he is considered a big beast on the international stage.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Aug 9, 11, 12:16 #8
I don't find things humorous when countless numbers of innocent people lost their lives yet these troublemaking and sh*t-stirring prats stayed out of harm's way. Sikorski shares the same views as many Poles on the matter. The difference being that sb was stupid enough to give him a big salary and that's about it.

RubasznyRumcajsThreads: 9 Posts: 283 Joined: Mar 29, 08 ♂	Aug 9, 11, 12:58 #9
"How many Russians did Sikorski kill?" not enough

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Aug 9, 11, 13:03 #10
Sikorski is just a hound that needs to change the record.

hague1cmaeronThreads: 21 Posts: 1,652 Joined: Mar 30, 10 ♂	Aug 9, 11, 14:21 #11
Sikorski is just a hound that needs to change the record. What record? Seanus I worry for you, it seems to me that you are hanging around with the wrong crowd.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Aug 9, 11, 17:43 #12
He even had his own 'doctrine' which is code for paranoia in my eyes. He is up his own butt waaaay too much and just keeps banging on about Russia Russia Russia, threat threat threat. Hague, you live in Oz if I'm not mistaken. Live here and listen to that twat repeatedly haiver on about threats and you will see what I mean.

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Edited by: skysoulmate Aug 9, 11, 18:02 #13

Seanus Today, 17:43 Reply / Quote #12
He even had his own 'doctrine' which is code for paranoia in my eyes. He is up his own butt waaaay too much and just keeps banging on about Russia Russia Russia, threat threat threat. Hague, you live in Oz if I'm not mistaken. Live here and listen to that twat repeatedly haiver on about threats and you will see what I mean.

Interesting how you vilify a Polish politician who doesn't put up with Russian power games. You're usually really quick to attack US politicians. The only threats you seem to recognize are fueled by US government conspiracies, I've never heard you speak of Beslan massacre conspiracy, Moscow theater conspiracy, etc. Seems your distrust of governments applies to one side only.

NomadatNetThreads: 6 Posts: 1,492 Joined: Mar 28, 09 ♂	Aug 9, 11, 18:12 #14
Russian diplomat – How many Russians did Sikorski kill? This is a confession by a Russian diplomat. So, it was Russia, not Soviet, that entered to Afganistan. (in a diplomatic language, he could be answered like that.)

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Aug 9, 11, 18:39 #15

It's not the power games that gets me, sky. It's more the constant wittering and rambling/rabbling on about threats when all Poles know very well what Russia is about. Why pay that man?

Beslan was no conspiracy. It was the act of Chechens looking to make the Russian authority sit up and take notice.

Only a fool would implicitly trust Putin and his cohorts. Many politicians get a bad name for a good reason.

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Edited by: skysoulmate Aug 9, 11, 18:50 #16

It's not the power games that gets me, sky. It's more the constant wittering and rambling/rabbling on about threats when all Poles know very well what Russia is about. Why pay that man?

Beslan was no conspiracy. It was the act of Chechens looking to make the Russian authority sit up and take notice.

Only a fool would implicitly trust Putin and his cohorts. Many politicians get a bad name for a good reason.

Well, if I have to choose between a Polish politician or a Russian one the choice is fairly simple for me, no matter how annoying the Polish politician might be.

As far as Beslan, there's far more "proof" as you like to call it that Russians wanted to boost the resentment toward Chechens there and during the Moscow theater gassing than your crazy wtc diatribes. Supposedly the attempts backfired on them but it was too late. Different subject and I don't care per se, but it's shocking how easily you're placated when it comes to Russian attrocities... I'm not defending the Chechen attrocities either but Spetznaz in Chechnia makes the SS and Gestapo look like amateurs. Yet you only like to pound on one side... ...and to think you used to be one of us (as far as serving in NATO).

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Aug 9, 11, 21:53 #17

It's no surprise that the Chechens beheaded some Russians given the treatment of their people at their hands. I do attack Putin&Co for what was basically greed. Yeltsin made a blunder by not valuing the Caucasus enough and Putin tried to put it right. I reject the hypocrisy of the situation whereby Yugoslavian states were given independence (fragmenting the country in so doing) whilst Chechens don't get Chechnya to themselves. If you really think I am pro-Russia on this point then you are seriously mistaken.

As for the WTC towers, it is clearly now an inside job. Of that I have no doubt.

NATO? When have I been pro-NATO? They are a pack of schmucks that kill innocent life at the drop of a hat.

As for Sikorski, he is just a ruthless opportunist. What has he DONE? I know what he has said, a lot of BLA BLA BLA.

Political tit-for-tat games are the ultimate in boredom. When you start to escalate tensions, you potentially put the lives of innocent people at risk and I can't stand by and let that happen.

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Edited by: skysoulmate Aug 9, 11, 22:03 #18

It's no surprise that the Chechens beheaded some Russians given the treatment of their people at their hands. I do attack Putin&Co for what was basically greed. Yeltsin made a blunder by not valuing the Caucasus enough and Putin tried to put it right. I reject the hypocrisy of the situation whereby Yugoslavian states were given independence (fragmenting the country in so doing) whilst Chechens don't get Chechnya to themselves. If you really think I am pro-Russia on this point then you are seriously mistaken.

As for the WTC towers, it is clearly now an inside job. Of that I have no doubt.

NATO? When have I been pro-NATO? They are a pack of schmucks that kill innocent life at the drop of a hat.

Maybe I got you confused with someone else but I thought at one point you served in a rescue unit?? Can't remember what branch and under which flag but that was my impression. I must have thought of someone else...

WTC - laughable but that's ok, believe what you want. Osama killing, sure he died years prior and it's "true" because his obituary was published in a well-respected Pakistani newspaper (I had tears in my eyes when I read that, from laughing of course :) I guess our special ops guys were there on vacation and the helicopter tail rotor was made of Lego. ;)

Yes, you've made several comments regarding Russia too, I'm not denying that. However your conspiratorial "burden of proof" threshold is MUCH higher when it comes to Russia and her crimes. You have a hard-on for the West and America in particular and it shows.... Just my perspective.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Aug 9, 11, 22:48 #19
Rescue unit? Maybe isthatu2?? What, you believe Osama was killed recently? ROTFL. Believe what you will Russians are just as nasty as greed underpins much of what they do in the Caucasus. Sorry to see that you are a media hound, sky. Can I pay your hospital bills for you? ;) ;)

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Aug 9, 11, 23:57 #20

Not me guv', Ive my IRC First Aid basic ticket but........There was someone on here who claimed to be SAR but cant remember who,sorry guys.
Anyway,on topic.............thats certainly a suspect looking photo for sure. There is no way on earth that Sikorski was "just a journo",but saying that snooping around with some Mujhas and filing the odd report back to London via Thames House still doesnt point to any likelyhood that he actually killed anyone. For a start those type of AK's (AKMs?) are pretty much self defence weapons,he wouldnt be the first warco to have lugged a weapon around while "embedded" with a small unit.

WielkiPolakThreads: 21 Posts: 154 Joined: Jun 3, 11 ♂	Aug 9, 11, 23:58 #21
I am certainly not keen on Radoslaw Sikorski but this attack is just stupid in my opinion. I do not see how some photographs of Sikorski in Afghanistan [as a journalist] could lead to a 'how many Russiands did he kill' reaction?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Aug 10, 11, 00:01 #22
It's petty and smacks of boredom. You can't insinuate in that way. The guy needs to get a life.

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Edited by: isthatu2 Aug 10, 11, 00:15 #23

It may be petty for some but frankly he is happily posing for a photo that implies he is breaking the geneva convention.
He is an armed civilian in a war zone,these days we call them Terrorists or Insurgents.
Oh,and before someone pipes up with something about the AK or whatever,they were part of the official armed forces of the Polish government in exile and the underground government in Poland itself.

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Aug 12, 11, 17:25 #24

Quite simple, the Taliban committed an act of war against Nato. As such Nato was entitled, according to the UN charter, to respond in self defence. The legality of the war against the Taliban has never been questioned.

I always am confused by the logic of geniuses on the forum...What act of war did the Taliban commit against NATO?...The only offense committed by them was refusing a multi-billion dollar payoff for construction of a pipeline.

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Aug 12, 11, 17:41 #25

Afghanistan is ungovernable by Western standards...It is a huge mistake to be involved in the internal affairs of a feudal fifedom...In fact, Europe's current problems with uncontrolled immigration can be traced to the West's involvement in Muslim countries, as an aggressive invader...By destroying/destabilizing these societies, we create instability that leads to a non-military invasion of our own societies.

Iraq was becoming a modern secular society before the Israeli bombing of the Osiris reactor, and the subsequent instigation of the Iraq-Iran war by Western/Zionist intelligence services...Then, of course, we had Gulf Wars I & II...Any serious student of history understands this...Hell, even Zbigniew Brzezinski, the 'innovator' of this policy of instigated chaos, understands how the policy has failed.

Now, you have some two-bit Russian politico stirring up the pot as far as Poland is concerned...Except in the case of Russia, you did have an actual case of national security, as Afghanistan bordered the former Soviet Union.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Aug 12, 11, 23:34 #26
I wonder if Sikorski would go and fight the Taliban himself. All of the politicians fire off statements with the bravery of being out of range but would he go and fight and risk getting captured? I doubt it!

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