Russians arrested after defrauding Smolensk victim

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Jun 7, 10, 09:01 #1

Three Russian members of the OMON special forces unit have been arrested after they made payments worth 1,400 euro using a credit card found on the body of Andrzej Przewoznik, who died in the Smolensk catastrophe of April 10.

The cards were to have been used three times: once on the day of the fatal accident, and two more times in the following days. All of the payments were made in Smolensk.

After being alerted about the missing cash, Polish prosecutors notified Russian authorities over the bogus transactions.

Government spokesman Pawel Gras told Radio ZET, Sunday morning, that the arrests were made “with lightning speed, thanks to the co-operation between the [Polish] Internal Security Agency and the Russian special services, who did not let this stand.”

This is not the only case of credit cards going missing after the Smolensk tragedy. Cards belonging to the deputy head of Law and Justice, Aleksandra Natalli-Swiat, also went astray, but have not been used in any transactions.

Andrzej Przewoznik was head of the Council for the Protection of Struggle and Martyrdom Sites. He died in the presidential plane crash of April 10, when a delegation headed by president Lech Kaczynski was going to Katyn to commemorate the murder of over 20,000 Polish officers there in 1940. (jb)

Sources: Rzeczpospolita/Radio ZET

http://www.thenews.pl/international/artykul133000_russians-arrested-af ter-defrauding-smolensk-victim.html

I'm shocked that this information even got out of FSB run Russia. My guess is that they had no choice since the theft was easily traceable.

skysoulmateThreads: 41 Posts: 3,039 Joined: Jan 10, 10 ♂	Jun 7, 10, 09:07 #2
Disgusting thugs. Stealing from corpses of crash victims, is it even possible for a person's integrity to sink any lower??

1jolaThreads: 33 Posts: 2,737 Joined: Sep 23, 08 ♂	Jun 7, 10, 09:08 #3
It's gulag time for embarassing the Russian state.

SashaThreads: 2 Posts: 1,597 Joined: Apr 19, 08 ♂	Jun 7, 10, 16:33 #4
No comments. That's a shame.

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,024 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER ♂	Jun 7, 10, 16:35 #5
I hope this will turn out not to be true. Shocking.

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Jun 7, 10, 16:52 #6

skysoulmate:

Disgusting thugs. Stealing from corpses of crash victims, is it even possible for a person's integrity to sink any lower??

Yes, it is. Lieutenant colonel Adam Rapeta who witnessed the airplane crash in Kabacki forest 20 years ago testified that he saw people taking rings off the broken, blood-covered fingers of the corpses. He said that this sight disgusted him more than the sight of the corpses themselves.

skysoulmateThreads: 41 Posts: 3,039 Joined: Jan 10, 10 ♂	Jun 7, 10, 16:57 #7
Sasha: No comments. That's a shame. Those bastards do not represent the Russian people Sasha and we all know ut. There are thieves and thugs and each and every nation. The fact those were members of OMON Special Forces, the sister organization of Jaruzelski's elite bandits - ZOMO, an organization most Poles remember well simply aggravates the feeling of the ultimate banditry.

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Jun 7, 10, 17:27 #8

Torq:

I hope this will turn out not to be true. Shocking.

Russia's denying it - which is interesting. Could it be that someone jumped the gun a little bit? The cards were used to the tune of 1400 Euro, that much is agreed on...but where?

vetala:

Lieutenant colonel Adam Rapeta who witnessed the airplane crash in Kabacki forest 20 years ago testified that he saw people taking rings off the broken, blood-covered fingers of the corpses.

Oh yes. Poles are no strangers to stealing from corpses.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Jun 7, 10, 17:43 #9
I wonder about the payment of Russia's special troops...they should earn enough money to not to resort to THIS!

vetalaThreads: - Posts: 512 Joined: Jul 10, 09 ♀	Edited by: vetala Jun 7, 10, 17:47 #10
delphiandomine: Poles are no strangers to stealing from corpses. Could you elaborate, please? I find that statement vaguely offensive.

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended]	Jun 7, 10, 18:03 #11
vetala: Could you elaborate, please? Well, what happened to Halina Domeracka's dollars?

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Edited by: MareGaea Jun 7, 10, 18:16 #12

Corpse-robbing is one of the lowest crimes one can commit. May they rot in jail.

delphiandomine:

what happened to Halina Domeracka's dollars?

The day was warm and sunny, so many people rested in the vicinity of Kabaty Woods; after the crash many of them headed for the site. According to official reports, the site was quickly closed to the public, and no plundering of remains was officially registered. However, some unofficial reports about stealing money and valuable items surfaced later; Halina Domeracka's personal belongings, including her passport, New Testament, photos and glasses were recovered intact from the site, yet 400 U.S. dollars and 10000 Polish zlotys were missing

From Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LOT_Polish_Airlines_Flight_5055

>^..^<

M-G (nuff said)

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Jun 7, 10, 18:17 #13

Torq:

I hope this will turn out not to be true

I hope so too, notwithstanding facts argue it is true so far. At least I haven't seen any rebuttal in RUnet. All I read is that three (or four according to some sources) OMON militia members were arrested at a suspect of stealing credit cards at the place which they were supposed to secure.

delphiandomine:

Russia's denying it - which is interesting

Would be great if you could provide a link.

skysoulmate:

Those bastards do not represent the Russian people Sasha and we all know ut.

Thanks, sky but that can hardly soothe my resentment. This just where Russia currently is: poor, corrupted with a corruption that thrust its roots deep inside all state formations. Can you imagine the same in the US?

Bratwurst Boy:

I wonder about the payment of Russia's special troops...they should earn enough money to not to resort to THIS!

The payment is laughable, BB and yes, absolutely, it should be increased but poverty can't serve as an excuse here.

vetalaThreads: - Posts: 512 Joined: Jul 10, 09 ♀	Jun 7, 10, 18:34 #14
delphiandomine: Well, what happened to Halina Domeracka's dollars? I'm curious what does it have to do with Polish nationality.

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Edited by: 1jola Jun 7, 10, 19:26 #15

It's OK, racism is allowed on this forum, as long as it is directed at Poles, thus they call it Polish Forums. I'm sure it would be different if this forum was moderated by Poles.

Anyway, there seems to be a small mistake, for which the Russian Interior Ministry is a bit miffed at the Polish government spokesman for suggesting they were OMON militiamen, calling it cynical and blasphamous.

MSW Rosji już w niedzielę kategorycznie zaprzeczyło, by smoleńscy milicjanci ograbili ciało Przewoźnika. MSW FR określiło te doniesienia jako "bluźniercze" i "cyniczne".

They are not denying the crime, but let's be absolutely clear, it was not OMON. The four arrested were from some other unit.
http://www.rp.pl/artykul/10,490722.html

TheOtherThreads: 5 Posts: 1,584 Joined: Jul 13, 09 ♂	Edited by: TheOther Jun 7, 10, 19:32 #16
1jola: It's OK, racism is allowed on this forum, as long as it is directed at Poles ...or Israelis, or Indians, or Pakistanis, or Americans, or Germans, or Russians, or...

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Jun 7, 10, 19:56 #17

Ha! What a nonsense! Russians robbed corpses! Just only think what you are saying now! There are several reasons why this news is nothing more than empty jaggering.

1. Main reason - Russians cannot robe corpses, simply they are not accustomed with such shameful behaivior. I shall rather imagine Poles who survived in crush robbing their unlucky brethrens! God is witness, this perspective is more probable than your idiotic accusations!
2. I saw it in Internet today evening, they took this assertions back. So, then, what we are discussing here now?

EchoTheCatThreads: 2 Posts: 183 Joined: Jan 20, 10 ♀	Jun 7, 10, 20:02 #18
1. Nobody survived..... ConstantineK: Russians cannot robe corpses, simply they are not accustomed with such shameful behaivior bBuuuahhahahaaa .. yeeees my grandmother who survived the war has different opinion :x

ConstantineKThreads: 35 Posts: 1,949 Joined: May 10, 07 ♂	Jun 7, 10, 20:19 #19
EchoTheCat: bBuuuahhahahaaa .. yeeees my grandmother who survived the war has different opinion :x Thank you for another coformation. Your grandma survived and it confirms my doubts of Russians robbing corpses! But I still of the same oppinion about Poles, this trait, robbing, is rather Polish.

1jolaThreads: 33 Posts: 2,737 Joined: Sep 23, 08 ♂	Jun 7, 10, 20:20 #20
ConstantineK: 2. I saw it in Internet today evening, they took this assertions back. So, then, what we are discussing here now? We are discussing the four soldiers arrested in Smolensk for robbing the crash victims and making 11 withdrawals between 10 and 12 April 2010. If you have some reliable info, post it. Otherwise spierdalaj kacapie.

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Edited by: ConstantineK Jun 7, 10, 21:27 #21

1jola:

Otherwise spierdalaj kacapie.

Oh! Thank you jola for this brief excursus in depths of Polish language, though I would be even more greatful if you were so kind to take a pain of translating this set of letter to normal language, let say Russsian...

1jola:

We are discussing the four soldiers arrested in Smolensk for robbing the crash victims and making 11 withdrawals between 10 and 12 April 2010. If you have some reliable info, post it.

Well jola, setting here all these rumours you add evidence that I am right in my low oppinion about Poland and Poles as nation. You chronically cannot appreciate good treatment, you are like mongrels. We stroke you and you are biting, we ignore and you are yapping from behind the fence.

At first you invented some manipulations on runway, then you have explained this crush by FSB's intrigues, now, seeing that all Polish-CIA attempts to disgrace Russians failed you are trying smear simple Russians by your own poop. I wonder what will be next, you will invent the story how Russians finished off suvived in crush by soldier's digging tools? Though, I am wrong...this version have already came into my view somewhere....

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Jun 7, 10, 21:52 #22

vetala:

I'm curious what does it have to do with Polish nationality.

Nothing. Just as some conscripts stealing credit cards has nothing to do with Russian nationality, despite what some people would like you to think. It's just pointing out that Poles have done exactly the same thing in the past that they're currently criticising Russians for.

(that's right Jola, a compatriot of yours stole from a corpse too - and furthermore, seemingly went unpunished!)

1jolaThreads: 33 Posts: 2,737 Joined: Sep 23, 08 ♂	Jun 7, 10, 22:11 #23
ConstantineK: You chronically cannot appreciate good treatment, you are like mongrels. Get off this thread, you flake.

1jolaThreads: 33 Posts: 2,737 Joined: Sep 23, 08 ♂	Jun 7, 10, 22:28 #24
delphiandomine: (that's right Jola, a compatriot of yours stole from a corpse too - and furthermore, seemingly went unpunished!) This thread is about Russian soldiers stealing from crash victims in Smolensk, but you would rather talk about something else. Noted.

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,786 Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂	Jun 7, 10, 22:33 #25
well, not nice. ConstantineK: We stroke you and you are biting, we ignore and you are yapping from behind the fence. Rather you are yapping here constantly and mostly some disgusting rubbish from your arse !

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Edited by: ConstantineK Jun 7, 10, 22:35 #26

1jola:

ConstantineK:
You chronically cannot appreciate good treatment, you are like mongrels.
Get off this thread, you flake.

Ah, jola! Instead of abusing each other let's try analyse the name of your thread, believe me it betrays something. You named it "Russians arrested after defrauding Smolensk victim". What do you want to say? Please note you named it exactly "Russians...", not "few Russians..." or "Few marauders..." but certainly you prefered to name it "Russians...". But why not "150 mil. Russians..." I wonder? The thread with such attractive name will certainly make a sense. Is it that all Russians were arrested on the spot robbing dead Poles, or simply these Russians secretly aprove robbing, giving in the same time the kiss of Judas? Please, clarify us...astonished public is waiting your definitions...

frdThreads: 8 Posts: 1,956 Joined: Feb 3, 09 ♂	Edited by: frd Jun 7, 10, 22:53 #27
People are suddenly forgetting about the plane crash in Kabacki Forest in Poland where 183 people died and locals from nearby villages were the first to pillage corpses and flee... Starting some delusional quarrel with Russia over this would be a hypocrisy and stupidity..

1jolaThreads: 33 Posts: 2,737 Joined: Sep 23, 08 ♂	Edited by: 1jola Jun 7, 10, 22:54 #28
ConstantineK: clarify us...astonished public is waiting your definitions... Click on the link in the OP; that will clear it up for you. frd: Starting some delusional quarrel with Russia over this would be a hypocrisy and stupidity.. According to you morons this crime should be ignored because...

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Edited by: nott Jun 7, 10, 23:14 #29

frd:

People are suddenly forgetting about the plane crash in Kabacki Forest in Poland where 183 people died and locals from nearby villages were the first to pillage corpses and flee... Starting some delusional quarrel with Russia over this would be a hypocrisy and stupidity..

That was 13 years ago, hardly a sudden attack of amnesia. Possibly few people identify themselves with the robbers, so the memory is not nagging that much.

Nobody is starting a war, but the issue is important. Not as such, **** happens, but the way the Russian government reacts to it.

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ohmy... s4it happens. Good enough, Robomod?

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Edited by: frd Jun 7, 10, 23:25 #30

1jola:

According to you morons this crime should be ignored because...

Who's "you morons" and who said it should be ignored? I didn't, just want to remind certain things that take away a bit from the whole "shocking", "OH MY" et cetera. I hope wrongdoers will get what they deserve... But really it's nothing shocking, it has been happening, it will be happening..

nott:

Possibly few people identify themselves with the robbers, so the memory is not nagging that much.

Come again? In english maybe?

nott:

Nobody is starting a war, but the issue is important.

As is important to have a broader knowledge or/and a dose of tolerance.

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