Serbia occupying Polish territory.

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Edited by: jonni Jan 26, 10, 19:16 #1

This looks like there's quite a fight developing. A lot of it is about issues of diplomatic immunity and whether a former embassy counts as being extraterritorial.

The Polish version has a lot more details than the English one - it was front page news in Warsaw today.

Conflict arises over Serbian embassy premises in Warsaw
26th January 2010

The Warsaw bailiff has ordered the Serbian embassy staff to vacate their premises in the city's downtown.
Gazeta Wyborcza has reported of a feud between the Gawroński family and the Republic of Serbia over the rights to the former embassy building on Al. Ujazdowskie 23/25 in Warsaw.
In 2005 Serbia was ordered to give back the building to its rightful pre-war owners. Citing international immunity, Serbia had refused to vacate the building, although its diplomatic mission had already relocated, leaving the property empty.

rest of story

and the full Polish version

This is the building in question. I pass it every day and can confirm it's been empty for ages. There are small trees starting to grow on the roof and it looks like water is leaking into the building.

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Jan 26, 10, 19:45 #2
what`s the point, please?

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,181 Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂	Jan 26, 10, 19:48 #3
Crow: what`s the point, please? A big row here in PL - front page news today. I'd be interested in your take on it.

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Edited by: Crow Jan 26, 10, 19:59 #4
jonni Are you English jonni? you provoke Serbs Jonni? Nobody sane doing so Jonni. You want Serb Ratko Mladic in Londres, Jonni?

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,181 Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂	Jan 26, 10, 20:02 #5
Crow What a strange post. The Warsaw stuff at the moment must have a reason - I wonder what the root is and how it will turn out. And by the way, yes, I would like Radtko Mladic in London, or indeed anywhere else out of hiding.

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Edited by: Ironside Jan 26, 10, 20:05 #6

For American Embassy it had been an different outcome :)

THE CASE OF THE VANISHED VILLA

WHILE ITS POLISH OWNER WAS JAILED AS AN 'AMERICAN SPY,' U.S. TOOK OVER HIS OLD FAMILY HOME

Christine SpolarWashington Post Foreign Service
August 19, 1997; Page A9
WARSAW -- Even in a city cursed with a skyline of Stalinist blocks, the U.S. Embassy stands out as an architectural nightmare -- a glass, cement and aluminum hulk, circa 1960.

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Edited by: Crow Jan 26, 10, 20:08 #7
jonni: And by the way, yes, I would like Radtko Mladic in London, or indeed anywhere else out of hiding. hiding? Who said that Ratko hiding? Ratko is in Lusatia on vacation. Those are rumors

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,181 Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂	Jan 26, 10, 20:13 #8
Crow: in Lusatia on vacation A fourteen year holiday at a secret address. On topic, what do you think about the embassy thing? It's a beautiful pair of buildings (the part not in the photo is better) but right now it's like a missing tooth on al. Ujazdowskie.

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Jan 26, 10, 20:35 #9
jonni: On topic, what do you think about the embassy thing? what that has with Serbia? if communists in Poland took somebody`s property, it should be returned and Serbia should get other building from Polish authorities. Its simple

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,181 Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂	Edited by: jonni Jan 26, 10, 20:40 #10
Crow: what that has with Serbia? The Serbian governent is occupying the building and refusing to hand it back. Crow: erbia should get other building from Polish authorities That has already happened. A couple of years ago. But they are determined to hang on to the previous building for no obvious reason.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Jan 26, 10, 20:51 #11
jonni: The Serbian governent is occupying the building and refusing to hand it back. Poland should send the army! ;)

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 ♂ [Suspended]	Jan 26, 10, 21:20 #12
I dont get the Serbs, if they already vacated the building whats the problem? Besides i'm sure they've been offered a suitable location by our goverment.

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,181 Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂	Jan 26, 10, 21:23 #13
Sokrates: m sure they've been offered a suitable location by our goverment. They moved in to the new place over a year ago. This is probably either a) bloodyindedness because Poland supports Montenegro and Kosovo, or b) there's something about the building that they don't want people to know about or c) they are trying to buy time for some yet unknown reason.

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Edited by: Crow Jan 26, 10, 21:31 #14

jonni:

That has already happened. A couple of years ago. But they are determined to hang on to the previous building for no obvious reason.

so? well, i`m not surprised

listen, current Serbian ruling establishment don`t have anything with Serbian people. Serbia`s politicians are in general NATO/EU puppets [as you know Serbia was conquered in 1999 by NATO and is now protectorate or reservate if you want]

Sokrates:

I dont get the Serbs

you don`t get me? i even wasn`t aware of problem. Go complaint to EU and NATO, Serbia is their protectorate

jonni:

a) bloodyindedness because Poland supports Montenegro and Kosovo, or b) there's something about the building that they don't want people to know about or c) they are trying to buy time for some yet unknown reason.

nonsenses

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 ♂ [Suspended]	Jan 26, 10, 21:32 #15
jonni: a) bloodyindedness because Poland supports Montenegro and Kosovo, Cant the owner of the property just move in with the eviction order, pack their stuff and send it to them via DHL together with the bill? Its all a bit unreasonable.

ExiledThreads: 5 Posts: 729 Joined: Jan 17, 10 ♂	Jan 26, 10, 21:34 #16
It will be a perfect home for Mladic.

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,181 Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂	Jan 26, 10, 21:34 #17
Sokrates: Cant the owner of the property just move in with the eviction order, That's what he wants to do, but the Serbians have suggested they'll physically resist the bailiffs. The link to the GW story has most of the known info. There's a bit they haven't printed, but most of it isn't there.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Jan 26, 10, 21:35 #18
Exiled: It will be a perfect home for Mladic. Maybe he is hiding in the basement like some rat...who knows if his corpse is already rotting there. Send the army I say! ;)

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Jan 26, 10, 21:35 #19
Bratwurst Boy: Poland should send the army! ;) Tusk and Tadic should enter in coitus ;)

ExiledThreads: 5 Posts: 729 Joined: Jan 17, 10 ♂	Jan 26, 10, 21:38 #20
Maybe he keeps mujas in basement to finish the job.

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Jan 26, 10, 21:41 #21

jonni:

That's what he wants to do, but the Serbians have suggested they'll physically resist the bailiffs.

The link to the GW story has most of the known info. There's a bit they haven't printed, but most of it isn't there.

Well the Serbs are being unreasonable but the way i see it, offer them a bigger more attractive place (we have quite a few reserved in downtown Warsaw) and send in Foreign ministry officials to mediate, from what i can read between the lines the ministry is not doing enough to avoid the scandal, we cant physically boot foreign diplomats either.

Another thing i dont like is Serbs trying to annex the territory, they're our guests and need to be treated with respect but thats too much.

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended]	Jan 26, 10, 21:41 #22
jonni: b) there's something about the building that they don't want people to know about That's possible - Yugoslavia was known during the Cold War to use their embassies for all sorts of shady dealings. I wouldn't be terribly surprised if there's something about the building that they don't want made public - although why Serbia would be bothered these days is a good question.

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Edited by: Crow Jan 26, 10, 21:57 #23
grass still repeating famous Ratko`s words: `i want that muja down,.... that one, that one, that one too...` Exiled: Maybe he keeps mujas in basement to finish the job. you mean like in the movie `Pulp fiction` woa

ExiledThreads: 5 Posts: 729 Joined: Jan 17, 10 ♂	Jan 26, 10, 23:15 #24
Yes like the poor Marcelus.Crow do you think Mladic would let any muja up?

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,181 Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂	Jan 26, 10, 23:20 #25
If he isn't dead he'll be in The Hague soon. Interesting to know what they're hiding in the former embassy in Warsaw.

ExiledThreads: 5 Posts: 729 Joined: Jan 17, 10 ♂	Edited by: Exiled Jan 26, 10, 23:22 #26
This is nothing to what the Germans found in russian embassy in Berlin in 1941.Apart from trapped doors with automatic guns the Russians kept pools with special acids which completely dissolved the human body even the bones.In this way the Germans managed to explain how some of their spies had entered the embassy without being seen getting out.

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,181 Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂	Jan 26, 10, 23:51 #27
Gruesome. It begs the question about some of the secrets those buildings hold. Even here in Warsaw. The Tunisian Embassy in Moscow is in Beria's old house, and when they renovated it a few years ago, human remains were found behind walls in the cellar. Apparently the last abassador's wife couldn't sleep due to things that go bump in the night.

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Jan 27, 10, 08:57 #28
jonni: Interesting to know what they're hiding in the former embassy in Warsaw. Poland was anyway always suspicious to Londres and Parige jonni: Even here in Warsaw. even? Exiled: Crow do you think Mladic would let any muja up? mujas are guarded by NATO. Mladic should be careful

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,181 Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂	Feb 10, 10, 21:37 #29
The latest on this story is that the Serbians were evicted, the building has been secured with steel shutters, and there are security guards to stop them returning.

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Edited by: Crow Feb 10, 10, 22:01 #30

jonni:

The latest on this story is that the Serbians were evicted, the building has been secured with steel shutters, and there are security guards to stop them returning.

are you sure that all this isn`t about Ratko Mladic? There were rumors that Serb Ratko spent some time in Lusatia/Germany (working on his `German collapse from inside` project) and then, some people mentioned possibility that he could be hidden in Warsaw in the building of abandoned Serbian embassy

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