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IronsideThreads: 59
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Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂ 		 Jun 3, 11, 12:45    #151
delphiandomine:
anyone living here knows the opposite.

except for some idiots !
Gee, it first time I have agreed with delph !
good on you M !
Monia  Jun 3, 11, 13:09    #152
GrzegorzK:
This is a blessing from God I believe.



Yes , it is and it will lower the costs of maintenance for an average household as winter season can really drain out people`s pockets especially those old ones . BTW old people in Poland are not sent to pensioners houses, but they live in their apartments or houses . In overall this will make our whole society wealthier . For example gas in Poland is so expensive that eg my heating bill for 1 month is 1500 zł to heat a house of 330 square meters , my brother who lives in Toronto in similar house pays just
100 $ - 300 zł which means 5 times less , thanks to atomic power plant in Scarborough located just 10 km away east of Toronto . It iritates me a lot!!!!!

Nobody in Toronto can hear outcries about any dangers of such plant located in such a short distance from a city .

Some critics exist but I suppose that they are sponsored by major companies for which shale gas extraction in Poland is a big market competition .

For Poland it may become a mile step towards becoming a world major economic player with its due place in worlds economy that Poland deserves .
Antek_StalichThreads: 6
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Joined: May 6, 11 ♂ 		Edited by: Antek_Stalich  Jun 3, 11, 13:12    #153
Monia, I agree with you in practically all aspects. However, the price of natural gas will also depend on some more factors. First, investment cost needs to be depreciated and it takes at least several years. Secondly, the price of fuel is mainly depending on the taxes Government will apply. For example, petrol is not that expensive you know. The most of the price is made of taxes.

Just drifting away a little: Commercial drinkable alcohol is very cheap. Taxes in Poland make it 21 zloties (US$7) per half litre vodka bottle. What is it however compared to tens of dollars paid for same in US? ;-)
Monia  Jun 3, 11, 13:23    #154
Antek , I am deeply aware of that pricing procedures ( the state has to impose taxes to pay for its budget expeditures ) , which doesn`t mean that these costs will get lower in time . Maybe I will live up to such times :).
Antek_StalichThreads: 6
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Joined: May 6, 11 ♂ 		 Jun 3, 11, 15:18    #155
I'm with you, Monia. My winter heating with natural gas is way too expensive.
Piast PolandThreads: 3
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Joined: Aug 28, 10 ♂ 		 Jun 3, 11, 15:20    #156
This should be good news for Poland. Finally our own source of energy other than coal. I worry for the environment though and if anything it will be worse in Poland.
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Joined: Dec 7, 08  Pictures: 2 ♂ 		 Jun 17, 11, 15:10    #157
Changing The Energy Game: Poland's Shale-Gas Dream
http://www.rferl.org/content/poland_shale_gas_extraction_energy/242380 51.html
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Joined: May 6, 11 ♂ 		 Jun 17, 11, 15:13    #158
Yeah, America should, however, exploit their oil & gas reserves and poison the Mexican Gulf, I understand.
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Joined: Dec 7, 08  Pictures: 2 ♂ 		 Jun 17, 11, 15:16    #159
Antek_Stalich:
exploit their oil & gas reserves and poison the Mexican Gulf

America is doing just that. America has an "ocean" of shale gas underneath it's soil, by far largest in the world. This is just to make more money abroad. If Poland didn't want the American companies there they wouldn't be there.
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Joined: May 6, 11 ♂ 		 Jun 17, 11, 15:20    #160
We welcome American companies to do that in Poland.
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Joined: Apr 13, 11 ♂ 		 Jun 23, 11, 18:59    #161
Today, 2011-06-23, The Economist runs this article: Energy in Poland. Fracking heaven. Other Europeans fear fracking. Poland is steaming ahead.
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Joined: Apr 10, 10 ♂ 		 Jul 3, 11, 13:26    #162
France became the first country in the world to ban the production of shale gas through the so-called hydraulic fracturing, lawmakers give the final vote on new piece of legislation.

http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=129826
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Joined: Mar 30, 11 ♂ 		 Jul 4, 11, 00:48    #163
JUST WAIT TILL THEY DRILL IN THE WRONG PLACE AND THEN U SHALL SEE THE CONSEQUENCE!!!! Y R ALL THESE FOREIGNERS TRYING TO TAKE OVER POLAND DAMMM IT!!!!!
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Joined: Dec 7, 08  Pictures: 2 ♂ 		 Jul 15, 11, 14:57    #164
Polish MEPs are challenging a report drafted by German experts for the European Parliament which warns against the extraction of shale gas, an industry which Poland hopes to develop over coming years.
http://www.thenews.pl/9/7/Artykul/51321,Accusations-fly-against-German -shale-gas-assessment
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Joined: Mar 9, 11 ♂ 		 Jul 15, 11, 15:16    #165
PennBoy:
Polish MEPs are challenging a report drafted by German experts for the European Parliament which warns

If it's a toss up between Polish politicians and experts, I'll run with the experts.
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Joined: Aug 6, 08 ♂ 		 Jul 15, 11, 22:24    #166
Merged: GERMANS AGAINST SHALE GAS!!

Polish MEPs are challenging a report drafted by German experts for the European Parliament which warns against the extraction of shale gas, an industry which Poland hopes to develop over coming years.

Poles feel that the regulations suggested by the Germans for the EU would make the extraction and so-called ‘fracking’ of shale gas unprofitable.
It is estimated that Poland is sitting on 5.3 trillion cubic metres of shale gas, which if extracted successfully could greatly lesson its reliance on Russian gas and oil.
Boguslaw Sonik, a Polish MEP from Civic Platform, has called the survey “biased”, citing that the work “could not be reliable as it was ordered from only one member state.”

Sonik professed that for economic reasons, the Germans are specifically interested in seeing that shale gas is not extracted in Poland, and therefore the findings “should automatically arouse suspicion as being an assessment made to order.”
MEP Lena Kolarska-Bobinska, also from Civic Platform, shared Sonik’s reservations, suggesting that lobbying was rife in a bid to uphold the current energy status quo in Europe.
“Extraction of shale gas will change the whole geopolitics of Europe,” said Kolarska-Bobinska in an interview with Polish Radio.
“Shale gas is needed to wean Europe off gas supplies from Russia,” she argued, noting that lobbying is “immense” surrounding the issue.
Although the German assessment will ultimately count as just one of several on the subject, it was enough to irk Polish MEPs.
Talking to Polish Radio, MEP Andrzej Grzyb from the Polish Peasants Party expounded his theory of the best way forward for Poland.
“We should say to the sceptics that Polish legislation will guarantee a modern approach to the extraction of shale gas, providing continuous monitoring of the environmental impact at every stage of the project,” Grzyb maintains.
http://www.thenews.pl/9/7/Artykul/51321,Accusations-fly-against-German -shale-gas-assessment


Evil Germans at it again. Discuss.
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Joined: Mar 9, 11 ♂ 		 Jul 15, 11, 22:26    #167
There's already a thread about shale gas (and a post about this report). Maybe worth merging.
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Joined: Aug 6, 08 ♂ 		 Jul 15, 11, 22:36    #168
My bad- thanks.
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rychlik:
Merged: GERMANS AGAINST SHALE GAS!!

They are 100% correct to impose the restrictions IMO. Trust the Germans to be so perfectly reasonable.

rychlik:
Evil Germans at it again. Discuss.

What for being aware of the dangers shale gas extraction will cause, were talking trillions of liters of water being contaminated with the most vile chemicals, then pumped straight back into our water supply through photosynthesis. Anything that involves that corrupt fcuk Dick Cheiny is not going to be realistically good for the people only his bank balance.
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Joined: May 28, 09 ♀ 		 Jul 16, 11, 19:16    #170
Fracking does pollute the air and water. I am glad you guys have been researching this because it concerns me a great deal.
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Joined: Aug 6, 08 ♂ 		 Jul 17, 11, 02:38    #171
But guys, what about Norway? How are they extracting their gas? And I hear they've gotten filthy rich from it. I don't trust the Gerries on this one. The Frogs too.
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Joined: Mar 9, 11 ♂ 		 Jul 17, 11, 02:46    #172
rychlik:
But guys, what about Norway? How are they extracting their gas? And I hear they've gotten filthy rich from it.

They have got very rich from gas, but there's is offshore because they've got a huge part of the North Sea because their country has a disproportionally large size compared with its population. They have huge offshore Oil and Gas fields. Their gas isn't Shale Gas - it's easy to extract without the dangerous and toxic fracking process.
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Joined: Nov 16, 06 ♂ 		 Jul 17, 11, 14:24    #173
Wroclaw Boy:
Trust the Germans to be so perfectly reasonable.


Yep. Especially considering the amount of money Gazprom is investing in their politicians, experts etc.
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Joined: Jul 3, 09  Pictures: 2  Gold Member MEMBER ♂ 		 Jul 17, 11, 14:29    #174
Grzegorz_:
Yep. Especially considering the amount of money Gazprom is investing in their politicians, experts etc.

its a dog eat dog world mate, what do you expect.
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Joined: Jan 7, 11 ♂ 		 Oct 6, 11, 07:07    #175
Interesting enough the Germans want a ban on shale gas extraction, or at least want a public hearing on the matter, I suppose when they buy/reclaim Poland they will have it on its own.
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Joined: Jan 3, 09 ♂ 		 Oct 6, 11, 09:05    #176
Germans are in Gasprom pocket. They didn't build this costly pipe under the Baltic just for fun... What is more, if I remember corectly a few big players on German energy market has some financial connections with Gasprom... It is funny and scary at the same time to observe like Greens are used by gas lobby to close energy market there (ie. closing perfectly fine nuclear plants).
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Joined: Jun 28, 07 ♂ 		 Nov 3, 11, 15:10    #177
This is what Poland has go to look forward to:

Fracking company - we caused 50 earth tremors in Blackpool - link
JonnyMThreads: 16
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Joined: Mar 9, 11 ♂ 		 Nov 3, 11, 15:19    #178
db1874:
This is what Poland has go to look forward to:

Fracking company - we caused 50 earth tremors in Blackpool - link

Not to mention poisoning the water table, and the use of a cocktail of over a hundred lethal chemicals governed purely by the profit motive, where someone's quality of life is worth exactly the cost of the lawsuit.

Mods, maybe change the title of this thread to something that sounds a bit more objective than the PR stunt it originally was.
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Joined: Sep 8, 09 ♂ 		 Nov 3, 11, 17:22    #179
Interactive guide to what actually happens during Fracking, it's from the National Geographic website,
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/10/101022-breaking-fuel-f rom-the-rock/

The thing that I personally don't like about fracking is that most of the lubricating fluids stay in the ground. I realise that these fluids are left a long way from the surface and the water table, I would like to be sure that they will not have an adverse effect on the environment in the future.
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Joined: Dec 7, 08  Pictures: 2 ♂ 		 Mar 21, 12, 17:03    #180
Adam1974:
"Shale Gas Revolution" will make Poland a Leading Country in Europe!

Shale gas euphoria comes to an end. 'Poland’s recoverable shale gas reserves are probably as much as 768 billion cubic meters, according to the Polish Geological Institute.

The deposits are enough to cover as many as 65 years of demand and are equal to as much as 200 years of the country’s production, Deputy Environment Minister Piotr Wozniak said today in Warsaw at a presentation of the institute’s data. “These estimates would make Poland Europe’s third-largest holder of gas reserves,” he said.

The minimum estimate is 346 billion cubic meters and is based on an analysis by the institute of 39 wells drilled in Poland from the 1950s to the 1980s. Reserves may be as much as 1.9 trillion cubic meters assuming maximum productivity, the study shows.

The Polish estimates are less than a forecast last year by the U.S. Department of Energy that the country had as much as 5.2 trillion cubic meters of shale gas. ' http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-03-21/poland-may-have-768-billio n-cubic-meters-shale-gas-reserves

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