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Should NATO/EU assist in Turkish retrival of decapitated Polish heads?

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Edited by: Crow Nov 18, 09, 19:43 #1

Should NATO/EU assist in retrival of decapitated heads of Polish King Władysław III Warneńczyk and Polish national hero Zawisha Czarny that are still in Turkish hands?

Tukey is member of NATO and pledge to become member of EU. So, i stay on position that NATO and EU must support Turkish retreival of decapitated Polish heads. Turkey must clearly deflect from its barbarous past if wants to be considered as civilized country. Collection of human heads??? How awfull!!!

NATO and EU to assist! What other people here think about this....?...

In 1444, during the battle of Varna (Bulgaria), fanatical Turkish assassin Kodza Hazar grabbed the opportunity and cut off the King Wladislaw's head, take it and sent it to his master - the sultan, in Istanbul (Constantinople).

Wladyslaw III of Poland

The Battle of Varna (1444 AD)
http://www.geocities.com/nbulgaria/bulgaria/varna444.htm

Surrounded by thousands fanatic Islamic killers the young Polish king died in the battle. After the death of his King the Polish cavalry was disorganized and in turn smashed by Ottomans.

The fanatic assassin Kodza Hazâr cut off the king's head and sent it to his master - the sultan. The head of young king became a great attraction in the capital of Ottoman empire. Muslim women and children sang songs, danced and praised Allah at the sight of decapitated head of young Polish king.

Also, in one other occation Turks managed to capture famous Polish Knight and diplomat Zawisha The Black. It happened in 1428, near Golubac, in Serbia.

Anyway, Zawisza was captured while still was alive, wounded but alive. Then, Turks strangled him and decapitated his head, took it to the Istanbul (Constantinople). Body was mutilated and cut to many little minces.

Zawisza Czarny
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zawisza_Czarny

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Nov 18, 09, 19:46 #2
Yes but parties to the EU and NATO are in bed with Turkey so I don't see it happening. If the answer is should, then yes. However, history raises tough questions for international relations under such circumstances.

mephiasThreads: 15 Posts: 812 Joined: Nov 14, 08 MEMBER ♂	Edited by: mephias Nov 18, 09, 19:49 #3
Hahaha, you are really funny. Why NATO didn't do anything in 1444 what an insensitivity. And Turkey joined it in 1952 so you are a little bit late Crowy. Seanus: Seanus A serb is not the person you should learn the history of the Turks. This can only be considered as a funny post nothing else.

nomaderolThreads: 7 Posts: 1,213 Joined: Oct 18, 09 ♂	Nov 18, 09, 19:52 #4
Crow: In 1444, during the battle of Varna (Bulgaria), fanatical Turkish assassin Kodza Hazar grabbed the opportunity and cut off the King Wladislaw's head, take it and sent it to his master - the sultan, in Istanbul (Constantinople). 1444 ? and sultan in istanbul ? It became Istanbul in 1453. Review your story.

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Nov 18, 09, 19:53 #5
mephias: Hahaha, you are really funny. Why NATO didn't do anything in 1444 what an insensitivity. And Turkey joined it in 1952 so you are a little bit late Crowy. that`s what you say? here, we see why Turks can`t be considered as civilized people

mephiasThreads: 15 Posts: 812 Joined: Nov 14, 08 MEMBER ♂	Nov 18, 09, 19:55 #6
Crow: that`s what you say? Yes you are really funny. Also your Varna link is dead. What a dreamer.

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Nov 18, 09, 19:59 #7
Seanus: Yes but parties to the EU and NATO are in bed with Turkey so I don't see it happening. If the answer is should, then yes. then vote

szkotja2007Threads: 38 Posts: 2,544 Joined: Dec 29, 06 ♂	Nov 18, 09, 21:09 #8
Where are the heads kept now ?

mephiasThreads: 15 Posts: 812 Joined: Nov 14, 08 MEMBER ♂	Edited by: mephias Nov 18, 09, 21:30 #9
szkotja2007 Most probably under soil with their body. This is a fiction at least beheading part. We were respectful to our enemies unlike this storyteller. You can try to read the links. One is broken other will explain the history without fiction part added by Crowie.

szkotja2007Threads: 38 Posts: 2,544 Joined: Dec 29, 06 ♂	Nov 18, 09, 21:39 #10
Seriously - I thought there were in a museum or something. Which would be gross and asking to be returned would be reasonable. So Crow is asking for the repatriation of human remains or is the question purely hypothetical ? Had a look at the link, the one that works is interesting. To be honest, beheading wasnt that uncommon in the 15th century.

mephiasThreads: 15 Posts: 812 Joined: Nov 14, 08 MEMBER ♂	Nov 18, 09, 21:51 #11
szkotja2007: So Crow is asking for the repatriation of human remains or is the question purely hypothetical ? It is just another provocation effort from crowie, Noone on earth knows where is this grave after 560 years.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Nov 18, 09, 22:10 #12
What do you mean, then vote? Głosowałem przeciez, kurde!

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Edited by: Crow Nov 19, 09, 00:23 #13

mephias:

Noone on earth knows where is this grave after 560 years.

serpent!

Polish heads are under the legs of some Turkish sultan. There are the heads of Warneńczyk and Zawisha, to stay humiliated to the eternity. It was/is destine of Serbian Milos Obilic`s head.

Turks are friends of the dark side

Seanus:

What do you mean, then vote? Głosowałem przeciez, kurde!

did you voted in the poll?- i asked

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Nov 19, 09, 00:27 #14
You didn't ask at all, Crow, you said "then vote" when the the first thing I did was to vote. Oh, when are you coming through to Gliwice?

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Edited by: Crow Nov 19, 09, 00:32 #15

Seanus:

You didn't ask at all, Crow, you said "then vote" when the the first thing I did was to vote.

yes, yes

Seanus:

Oh, when are you coming through to Gliwice?

i told you- next year at summer. That is if this pandemic flu doesn`t change my plans [to put cross on myself].

This year ending is quite pesimistic. First that flu and then few days ago Serbian Patriarch (head of Church) died in hospital

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Nov 19, 09, 00:34 #16
I heard about that, RIP to him. I've seen all the videos of Serbian soldiers standing by him and being blessed. Aha, so you are sticking with your plans, good.

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,181 Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂	Nov 19, 09, 00:51 #17
szkotja2007: o be honest, beheading wasnt that uncommon in the 15th century. Quite. Hardly a weeping sore on international relations.

Mr GrunwaldThreads: 34 Posts: 2,358 Joined: Dec 16, 08 ♂	Nov 19, 09, 03:52 #18
szkotja2007: Where are the heads kept now ? same questions and if Turks don't even know where it is, then this thread has no meaning :) Unless they "find" thoose heads and can deliver them to Poland. I wouln't think it would been any problems.

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Edited by: Crow Nov 19, 09, 15:43 #19

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1. Turks to return Polish heads

2. NATO to provide escort and transport of Warneńczyk`s head back to Poland. Zawisha`s head to be transported to Serbia, where is Zawisha`s grawe (body)

3. EU to say few nice words about Turks, considering Turkish cooperation regarding Polish heads

IF THIS ISN`T POSSIBLE, Turkey to continue its NATO membership, to become member of EU and Poland to escape from such a `friends`.

To put cross on myself

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,955 Joined: May 17, 07 ♂	Edited by: southern Nov 19, 09, 16:14 #20
It was common to send heads as presents to the Sultan.Here it is what happened to an albo. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Pasha They thought they would send some greek heads too in 1822.What happened at the end of this year was that three pashas were dead due to Greeks.Turkish presence in Peloponnese was diminished as an entity in just one week.Albos played again their role.

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Nov 19, 09, 18:00 #21

Crow:

serpent!

Polish heads are under the legs of some Turkish sultan. There are the heads of Warneńczyk and Zawisha, to stay humiliated to the eternity. It was/is destine of Serbian Milos Obilic`s head.

Poor you, they raised you with this stories and you believed them. Don't worr y Sultan had nothing to do with heads. Maybe You think this way because it is serbian way of fun!

Yeah Turks are sith lords.

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Edited by: Crow Nov 19, 09, 18:50 #22
mephias: Yeah Turks are sith lords. don`t know for the sith bur, definitly dark side Turks were known as `baked people` among Serbian peasents.

mephiasThreads: 15 Posts: 812 Joined: Nov 14, 08 MEMBER ♂	Edited by: mephias Nov 19, 09, 19:11 #23
Crow: Turks were known as `baked people` among Serbian peasents. After you I will always remember Serbs as funny people. btw how old are you ? fourteen ?

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Nov 19, 09, 19:28 #24
mephias: After you I will always remember Serbs as funny people. just wait to see Serb Ratko

mephiasThreads: 15 Posts: 812 Joined: Nov 14, 08 MEMBER ♂	Edited by: mephias Nov 19, 09, 19:49 #25
Crow That butcher is now hiding in a sewer. Only harm he can make is bad smell now.

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,181 Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂	Nov 19, 09, 19:52 #26
mephias: That butcher is now hiding in a sewer. And will eventually be arrested, brought to The Hague like Milosevic and Karadic, and in a free and fair trial, justice will be done.

rockThreads: 6 Posts: 1,493 Joined: Jun 13, 08 ♂	Nov 19, 09, 20:05 #27
Crow: just wait to see Serb Ratko We did not forget him. We want to see him asap.

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Edited by: Crow Nov 19, 09, 21:50 #28
jonni: free and fair trial good joke rock: We did not forget him that, i believe you mephias: That butcher Ratko Mladic was lethal to the enemies but he was freedom fighter. Its not him who was commander of inavding army but mujaheedines that came to polute Serbian lands and Slavija on the wings of NATO/EU support and propaganda. Serb Ratko was respond and a cure. Slavs aren`t easy pray

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,181 Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂	Nov 19, 09, 22:00 #29
Crow: to polute Serbian lands and Slavija on the wings of NATO/EU support and propaganda. Serb Ratko was respond and a cure. Slavs aren`t easy pray How old are you?

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Edited by: Crow Nov 19, 09, 22:20 #30
jonni: How old are you? What that has with decapitated Polish heads?? NATO and EU to assist in retrival of the heads or just to fu** off togahter with their belowed Turks!

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