Should Tusk monitor the net?

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Oct 20, 10, 16:58 #1

At one press conference during the recent designer drug outburst, asked what he would do about smart-drug-mongers peddling their wares on the net. Tusk replied something to the effect: 'We will also see what can be done about that.'
Mine is not a question about technical feasibility or economic cost, but rather advisability. Yes, it can be done -- the Chinese are effectively expunging what they regard as poltically objectionable content.
Do you believ the net should enjoy privileged status and preferential treatment as the only medium not subject to libel laws or editorial control. If you write a letter to a newspaper, it must be signed with full name and address and the editor can edit out offensive content. TV and radio do the same and with live shows use a several-second delay mechanism to bleep out obscenities.
The net is so full of garbage, hate content, dangerous instructions (how to build a bomb at home, etc.), bad examples, lewd proposals, questionable role models, etc. precisely because it is anonymous. If people had to identify themselves and were subject to editorial oversight, the net would be a far less toxic and would be comparable to ther remaining media.
What do you think: privileged status for the net or equal treatment for all media?

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Oct 20, 10, 17:04 #2

Polonius3:

What do you think: privileged status for the net or equal treatment for all media?

You're thinking of "The net" as a medium. You need to be more specific. Do you think that a group of people talking together at a BBQ (this forum) should have minders?

At least in the US, libel and slander laws can be applied towards online content.

Regarding being full of garbage, so is a public library!

It sounds like you're for setting up a police state? That's not meant negatively, but it sounds like you'd like to have everything strictly controlled, like say during Socialism but with a different message. Is that about right?

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Oct 20, 10, 19:19 #3

Books in a library are signed by authors and publishers are identified. I'm sure this forum would be far more civilised -- less nonsense, trolling, mud-slinging and pure BS -- if participants had to identify themselves with their true name, address and e-mail. Some forums work that way.
Of course, the net is a medium. Anything functioning in public space, whether a magazine, billboard, neon or virtual reality, is, so it differs from a friendly chat in the privacy of one's own home.
I just wanted to know what other PF-ers think on the subejct.

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Oct 20, 10, 19:27 #4

Polonius3:

Books in a library are signed by authors and publishers are identified.

In some cases, but there are plenty of instances of authors using pen names, anonymous sources, etc.

Polonius3:

if participants had to identify themselves with their true name, address and e-mail. Some forums work that way.

I have no fear of identifying myself publicly. I've met quite a few people off of here, and they all pretty much stick to their guns in person, which I fully respect. But on a side note, the only truly FREE SPEECH is anonymous speech. It's the great equalizer. You can then explore why I think the way I do.

Polonius3:

Of course, the net is a medium. Anything functioning in public space, whether a magazine, billboard, neon or virtual reality, is, so it differs from a friendly chat in the privacy of one's own home.

This forum is private property. You're a member of a private club. We're in the privacy of our homes, having a chat.

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Oct 20, 10, 19:41 #5

convex:

It sounds like you're for setting up a police state? That's not meant negatively, but it sounds like you'd like to have everything strictly controlled, like say during Socialism but with a different message. Is that about right?

Well, his previous posts certainly suggest this. It's also a common theme among Kaczynski voters to support a strong dictatorial state - not Communist, but rather something more similar to the so-called National Democracy. Many of them also have very similar views to Franco's Spain - strong, centralised State characterised by a strong belief in the dictatorship of the Church.

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Edited by: mafketis Oct 20, 10, 19:57 #6

Reposting from another thread:

You better be good, you better watch out, you better not threaten, you better not shout...

The Polish Internal Security Agency (ABW) is coming to the forums.....

PiS wants political forums monitored and for administrators to inform on users who seem threatening.

tokfm.pl/Tokfm/1,103087,8540447,PiS__Groza_nam_w_internecie

New content: As for the question, the great thing about the net is how is levels the playing field and its harder for the elites (of whatever stripe) to carefully control what gets said in public. Poor, sad, old politicians like Tusk (and Kaczynski) can't stand it and don't know how to deal with it.

On the other hand, his comment 'we'll look into it' is just politico speak for "leave me alone". The whole designer drug kerfuffle was a pointless distraction as is the in vitro kerfuffle.

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Edited by: delphiandomine Oct 20, 10, 20:07 #7

mafketis:

PiS wants political forums monitored and for administrators to inform on users who seem threatening.

I think they'd happily see all opposition political forums closed down!

mafketis:

Poor, sad, old politicians like Tusk (and Kaczynski) can't stand it and don't know how to deal with it.

I get the impression many leaders can't deal with it - Tusk's utter mishandling of the previous internet control bill told you all you need to know. But look at the UK and elsewhere - endless bills created by people who don't appear to know the first thing about how it all works.

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Oct 21, 10, 03:16 #8

THEY are doing it anyway(monitoring Internet) with or without your consent,
it is illegal at this moment(this has never stop them before) but THEY will push it fro legislature and it will become legal. and maybe the licensing will become in force?? and THEY will put fees and charge fees for usage of internet?? naturally!!! to protect you from bad and evil things on internet!!(so pf may become undesirable and have "fillter")lol.
it is strange that, the same song is sung, at the same time , in so many democratic countries.
protect,protect the public is in danger!!:+(its not a rapsong)

all schools have internet filters on and still kids have fund a way to bypass it(easy)
i have fund it very boring , not being able to see and read alternative news! but children must be protected from evil webpage like prisonerplanet??? what would they turn to and become of.

ps.
i am retiring in 2 weeks
at what stage was i tire! so i have to re tire??

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