Solidarity 30 years on?

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Aug 22, 10, 15:05 #1

Wałęsa is boycotting Solidarity's 30th anniversary celebrations in Gdańsk. Solidarność coalminers in Jasrzębiec have refused to invite Wałęsa, Tusk and Komorowski to their commemoration. Last year, Tusk & Co. boybotted the 30th anniversary of the June 1989 elections and held his own separatrist celebrations in Kraków.... Are these symptoms of the eternal and unavoidable Polish disease of divisiveness? Is it incurable?

convexThreads: 46 Posts: 7,185 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Aug 22, 10, 16:20 #2
Why would socialist coalminers want to celebrate anything with "pro business" politicians?

Polonius3Threads: 1,005 Posts: 4,834 Joined: Apr 11, 08 ♂	Aug 22, 10, 16:21 #3
Because they are all Poles and as Komorowski has said: ZGODA BUDUJE! (That's a good one for the translation section: HARMONY EDIFIES or what?

convexThreads: 46 Posts: 7,185 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Aug 22, 10, 16:26 #4
Wonder if Kiszczak wanted to go.

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,786 Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂	Aug 22, 10, 16:58 #5
Polonius3: (That's a good one for the translation section: HARMONY EDIFIES or what? concord edifies I-S ( and is good for your liver)

noreenbThreads: 4 Posts: 1,082 Joined: Apr 22, 09 ♀	Aug 25, 10, 22:13 #6
Solidarity uncurable? A spirit of solidarity will survive but I am just a silly idealist. Polish people are not good at constructive discussions. I hate when people don't respect olders, who were building a new, free country. Harmony edifies? It should at least.

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Edited by: landora Aug 25, 10, 22:30 #7

Polonius3:

Wałęsa is boycotting Solidarity's 30th anniversary celebrations in Gdańsk. Solidarność coalminers in Jasrzębiec have refused to invite Wałęsa, Tusk and Komorowski to their commemoration. Last year, Tusk & Co. boybotted the 30th anniversary of the June 1989 elections and held his own separatrist celebrations in Kraków.... Are these symptoms of the eternal and unavoidable Polish disease of divisiveness? Is it incurable?

It's a sign that Solidarity these days is nothing but the small minded, self interested "worker" faction from the 1980's. There's certainly hardly any intellectuals around!

Solidarity did themselves no favours whatsoever by aligning so closely with Kacynzski - all they've done in the process is make Tusk et al more determined to destroy their grip on certain elements of Polish society. Their day has gone.

It's my view that if this same faction was offered power in 1989 at the expense of non-members, they would have taken it - indeed, I don't believe that many of them wanted an end to communism, but rather they wanted some of the perks and privileges for themselves. If the money was there - I suspect Solidarity would have been bought.

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Edited by: plk123 Aug 26, 10, 05:55 #8

Polonius3:

EDIFIES

simple "builds" or "grows" i feel to fit better as there is no notion of instruction in the word "buduje"

landora:

It's my view that if this same faction was offered power in 1989 at the expense of non-members, they would have taken it - indeed, I don't believe that many of them wanted an end to communism, but rather they wanted some of the perks and privileges for themselves. If the money was there - I suspect Solidarity would have been bought.

maybe the ones from '89 but definitely not the ones from '80

Polonius3:

Wałęsa is boycotting Solidarity's 30th anniversary celebrations in Gdańsk.

why?

Polonius3:

Are these symptoms of the eternal and unavoidable Polish disease of divisiveness? Is it incurable?

sure seems this "disease" is alive and well. :(

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