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CrowThreads: 367
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Joined: Feb 14, 07  Pictures: 1 ♂ [Suspended] 		 May 8, 10, 19:28    #1
If we were to analyze Polish history and even recent events one inevitable question crossing our minds. That is question of Poland`s strategic importance. Obviously, Poland has significant strategic importance- its only conclusion. But, what is exact importance of Polish state and, for whom?

i contemplate on those questions last few days, for answers on those questions openings another questions and interesting conclusions. What others here think about these questions?
rychlikThreads: 51
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Joined: Aug 6, 08 ♂ 		 May 8, 10, 19:41    #2
Poland has some of the best arable land in Europe. Not too dry like Southern Europe and not too mountainous like the land locked countries of Central Europe. Perfect for self sustaining a country. Poland is just slightly smaller than Germany, but Germany has roughly 80 million people while Poland has 38.5 million. Poland has room to grow still for another hundred years. Germany doesn't have that luxury.
Strictly politically speaking? Well, Poland borders Russia. America would love to see a weakened Russia disintegrate. Inevitably in the future, I think Poland will be a part of this strategy. It all depends how well the relations between the Americans and Poles go.
Miguel ColombiaThreads: 3
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Joined: Apr 20, 10 ♂ 		 May 8, 10, 19:51    #3
I am sorry to say this ,but I donīt think Poland has a big meaning in the current world...
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Poland has throughout its history been all about its position ( strategic ) in Europe.

966 when Mieszko I accepted Christianity really set Poland on its path of ' eastern bridge of Europe to Russia / Asia '

The middle ages saw Poland sandwiched between orthodoxy to the east ( Russia ) and Lutheranism / Protestantism to its west ( Prussia / Germany ). This set the stage for many conflicts in Polish history.

Cossacks, Teutonic knights, Turkish armies and Hetman from Ukraine all shaped Polish history and the people as well. If Poland had been located elsewhere as a country its strategic position would not be as important. The Polish lands were a nexus of many peoples crossing paths.

WWII also saw Nazi Germany invade for ( one of many reasons ) the rich mineral and chemical deposits that Poland has. The Russians saw the same advantage as well.

Geographically, I agree with both Crow and ryclik. Good land was one of the reasons Poland prospered. There was a good balance between population, land and farm. I also agree that Poland in the future will be used as a pawn to taunt, antagonize and otherwise hassle Russia at the USA's pleasure. Hopefully, Polish leadership will see what the benefit is to Poland before saying ' yes ' to whatever the US wants.
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rychlik:
Poland has some of the best arable land in Europe (...)
Perfect for self sustaining a country.


Better than self-sustaining. Polish agriculture could feed 120 million men if necessary.
Some investment would be needed, but we have the capability of sustaining a population
three times the size of ours.

Crow:
What is strategic meaning of Poland in Europe and in the world


To be honest, Crow - I am sick and tired of Poland's strategic meaning, Poland's mission
in Europe, Poland being on the crossroads, Poland being in the center of overlapping
spheres of influence etc. etc.

For once in history, I would like Poland to have no strategic meaning whatsoever.
If we could only be considered a completely insignificant country and left well alone,
so we can work peacefully and steadily to make our country a better place to live in
for our children and grand-children. That's all I want.

Miguel Colombia:
I donīt think Poland has a big meaning in the current world...


I hope you're right, Miguel. I really hope you're right.
Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11
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Torq:
For once in history, I would like Poland to have no strategic meaning whatsoever.
If we could only be considered a completely insignificant country and left well alone,
so we can work peacefully and steadily to make our country a better place to live in
for our children and grand-children. That's all I want.


*Just thinks about an "Axis of quiet and peace" stretching from France over Germany to Poland*
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Bratwurst Boy:
an "Axis of quiet and peace" stretching from France over Germany to Poland*


I'll drink to that!

Cheers!
1jolaThreads: 33
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Joined: Sep 23, 08 ♂ 		 May 8, 10, 20:56    #8
Stalin had repeatedly said the same thing. :)
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Torq:
To be honest, Crow - I am sick and tired of Poland's strategic meaning

well, i understand you brate. i completely understand you. But, sometimes, maybe even in most cases, we don`t chose our role. On the other side, our roles aren`t just occasional and random events of destine. No, far from that. Our role is designed by our own capabilities and intersection of paths of different interests thru our realm.

rychlik:
America would love to see a weakened Russia disintegrate.

yes. USA is open here

rychlik:
Well, Poland borders Russia.

its exactly thing that could actually save Poland. No, not in the sense of salvation of Slavdom in Poland by `mighty` Russia. No, not in that sense.

i mean, in the sense, that Poland and Russia could combine their defensive strategies when becomes obvious that without mutual coordination Poland and Russia don`t have chance to survive in global arena.

rychlik:
Inevitably in the future, I think Poland will be a part of this strategy.

USA trying

but, it would be proved as mission impossible and, even extreme measures by USA and her friends in the world won`t be enough to navigate Poland onto the path of self destruction.
rockThreads: 6
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Joined: Jun 13, 08 ♂ 		Edited by: rock  May 8, 10, 21:24    #10
There is not any strategic meaning of Poland today.
She is just one of the countries controlled by Germany and France in EU.
If EU's plan for future is becoming like United States, then this kind of questions has no meaning.
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rock:
She is just one of the countries controlled by Germany and France in EU.


Our control sucks! :(

Remember the Kazcinsky Twins? If we had had one ounce influence they could never had made Germany's diplomatic life as miserable as they did...
CrowThreads: 367
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rock:
There is not any strategic meaning of Poland today.

i would give you at least one strategic importance of Poland. That is, without Poland there is no Slavic world on the long run

what i mean,... if we hypothetically imagine situation that Poland stop to be Slavic after completely assimilated by non-Slavs, in some distant future, that would for sure represent final blow onto the body and soul of Slavic world. Without Slavic Poles (40 mil in Poland and plus about 10 mil in the world), Slavic world would suffer such a tremendous loss that it would be impossible to compensate (assimilation/minus of 50 mil. people for Slavic world means automatically 50 mil plus for non-Slavic world). Not to mention territory of Poland, in any sense

That`s why, in nearest future, we can expect all kind of pressures on Slaveno-Polish soul by hostile non-Slavs and, in the same time enormous Russian effort to improve relations with Poland.

So, manipulation with Poland against Russia goes in primarily two directions. On the long run it is assimilation of Poland into the non-Slavic entity. With it, it is expected Poland to become natural enemy of Russia instead possible (as long as Poles are Slavs) natural Russian partner. Second solution for Poland (in the eyes of hostile non-Slavs), is use of Poland (no matter still Slavic) in some eventual war against Russia where would Poles and Russians scatter each others.
CrowThreads: 367
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from a book The Clash of Civilizations by Samuel P. Huntington >>>

clash of civilizations
you would note how author tendentiously avoiding to even mention Slavic world as unique old civilization but instead of that underlining religious aspect of division in the world, with it, `explaining` why he don`t see Slavic civilization. Seams that author count on religious antagonisms among Slavs

List of possible civilizations (according to S. Huntington):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Clash_of_Civilizations

* Western civilization, centered on Australasia, Northern America, and Europe (excluding Orthodox Eastern and South-Eastern Europe but including Catholic Central and East-Central Europe). Huntington also includes the rest of Oceania. Whether Latin America and the former member states of the Soviet Union are included, or are instead their own separate civilizations, will be an important future consideration for those regions, according to Huntington.


you know the rules regarding copy/paste
rockThreads: 6
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What happens to EU according to him ?


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