Summit organized by Poland because of Obama`s visit to be boycot by Serbia and Slovakia?

mafketisThreads: 17 Posts: 1,880 Joined: Mar 31, 08 ♂	May 26, 11, 22:55 #121
Seanus: The refusal of Slovakia is interesting for sure. But the real reason is probably general fear of separatist movements (Hungarians in the case of Slovakia, there are a lot of gypsies there too but they're not potential separatists as gypsy culture in its current incarnation requires a host culture to live in (and provide all the things that gypsies can't or won't provide for themselves).

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May 26, 11, 22:55 #122

I don't think I've had enough contact with Balkans folk to understand their mentality, Crow. I can see where you are coming from in a way but not deeply as you do. What is clear to me is that Serbia is a thorn in the side of the big powers and seen as defiant. In this way, I identify with Serbia as many Scots think in a similar way.

I don't think Obama is the biggest fan of Slavs. However, he can't stop Slavic metal and folk bands putting their messages out there.

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Edited by: mafketis May 26, 11, 23:57 #123

Seanus:

I just wonder to what extent they did it to have a go at the Czechs.

IME Slovaks dont' feel threatened by Czechs. There is a fear (at least uneasiness) about the large Hungarian component of the population, especially given that for a long time most of the current Slovakia was part of the AH empire and Hungary has yet to come to terms with its current borders and hands out passports to ethnic Hungarians resident in other countries.

Gypsies are just an annoyance,

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	May 27, 11, 16:23 #124
On an international scale, Slovakia is a flyweight. Their gesture is a symbolic one.

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May 28, 11, 12:56 #125

America didn't accept Hussein or The Taliban for their apparent terrorising so they were swept off. Many in Iraq and Afghanistan believe life was better under their rule. Why is Kosovo allowed to be run by Albanian leaders who have inextricable terrorist connections? The KLA/UCK are known terrorists and one American lost his job for describing them as such. If America and NATO can dismantle rogue regimes elsewhere, why can't they do it in Serbia's Jerusalem??

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Edited by: Crow Dec 18, 11, 16:48 #126
what was interesting is that Poland's former president and Solidarity founder Lech Walesa followed example of Serbian diplomats and snubbed an invitation to meet with President Barack Obama. Walesa is my favorite Polish politician

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Dec 18, 11, 18:10 #127

Wałęsa is your favourite politician? He has cleared his name on a few occasions in court but people don't let sleeping dogs lie. The biggest mistake of certain posters is not to acknowledge historical context and the environment people operated in.

The kind of politicians that would entertain Obama here would be those like Sikorski and the traitorous types. He is an insincere man who made a mockery of the Queen's anthem and also had the audacity to ask for the drone back from Iran, lol. He is not welcome amongst most Slavs.

JonnyMThreads: 16 Posts: 4,487 Joined: Mar 9, 11 ♂	Dec 18, 11, 18:29 #128
Seanus: a mockery of the Queen's anthem It was actually the orchestra's fault - he carried it off quite well, considering. ;-) Seanus: He is not welcome amongst most Slavs. When he visited Poland, I bet people were falling over themselves to get an invite.

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Dec 18, 11, 18:35 #129

The orchestra's fault? I thought that a bit too as they started when he was still speaking but he continued regardless. An awareness of tradition would have told him to stop. Not that I give much of a hang for such a thing but he should.

I detect sarcasm in the second part. He proposed nothing but trouble for Poland. The missile shield, for example. Israel is plotting against Iran but an attack may come out of the blue. If the missile shield was indeed to protect Poland then they need to tell Israel once and for all to back off. As we all know, it's just politics and saber rattling.

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Dec 18, 11, 18:41 #130

Seanus:

Israel is plotting against Iran but an attack may come out of the blue.

In a way, all our elected representatives are. The situation there is bizarre and no good will come of it.

Seanus:

If the missile shield was indeed to protect Poland then they need to tell Israel once and for all to back off. As we all know, it's just politics and saber rattling.

Israel are terrified about an attack from one of the factions there. So should anyone within missile range. The Saudis are paranoid about it - far more so than Israel and enough to get the two countries discreetly talking. Any sort of deterrent against Iran is a small step to maintaining stability. Personally I do not favour a pro-active attack against them, however the situation must not be allowed to escalate to a point where one becomes justifiable.

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Dec 18, 11, 18:57 #131

I agree. What a bunch of bored and dangerous morons get into high-level positions.

As for Iran, it's all politics. They know full well that Iran doesn't have nukes as their detection devices and international monitoring are more than good enough to know that. You meant pre-emptive strike, JM? I also don't want to see that as it's based on a lie. If Obama can't use his position to silence the dogs then he puts many lives in peril.

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Edited by: Crow Dec 18, 11, 22:29 #132
i would start to believe in USA democracy only when black woman won elections there. Black man isn`t enough to my democratic standards. But, to tell you frankly, real victory of democracy would be when Gypsy lesbian woman won on elections in USA. E, that would be democracy

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