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 Feb 19, 10, 17:44    #1
Whoever wrote this hit the nail right on the head!

Better say nothing
The minefield of writing about Poland

Feb 4th 2010 | From The Economist online

POLAND is the largest and most successful of the eastern European countries. A safe enough statement? Probably not. Someone will immediately start quibbling that “eastern” Europe doesn’t exist. That will start a long argument about whether “east central Europe” or “central Europe” is the best way of describing the ex-communist region (at which point someone else will chip in and say that the term “ex-communist” is anachronistic). “Largest” is dodgy too—not least because it may prompt a discussion about the fragile and tragic foundations of Poland’s eastern and western frontiers. Ukrainians and Russians will be quick to ask, justifiably, why they have been excluded from this notional category.

Most dangerous of all is to praise the achievements of Poland’s current government, as this newspaper did recently (see article). Clearly, some readers said, the author of such an article has never been to Poland. Otherwise he would know that a small and coincidental spurt of economic growth does not make up for pervasive corruption, ineffective administration of justice, two-tier public services and a cartel-like political system in which insiders feast (literally) and outsiders starve (metaphorically). Any possibly praiseworthy reforms are either superficial and belated, or else were introduced by the previous government.

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Any discussion of Poland’s poor public administration, for example, must acknowledge the role of the missing middle class, eviscerated by foreign occupation, mass murder and emigration. And who are these outsiders to criticise, anyway? The author should write about Greece or Italy if he wants to highlight problems in European countries. Why pick on Poland? Ill-will rather than ignorance surely lies behind the writing of such an article. It must have been ordered into print by the powerful hidden interests that control the world media.

Full article here.

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 Feb 19, 10, 18:42    #2
Harry:
Whoever wrote this

Come on, Harry - the style of writing, the arguments used and the complete
and utter lack of knowledge about Poland and Poles shown by the author
indicate clearly that it is you who wrote the artice.

Abysmal piece of journalism, Harry - you should be ashamed of yourself.
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 Feb 19, 10, 18:54    #3
Torq:
it is you who wrote the artice.

Not one of mine actually. Although I do the bloke who did write it.
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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  Feb 19, 10, 18:58    #4
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The same applies to foreign policy. If Poland is friends with its neighbours, has sorted out its relations with America and is seen as a constructive heavyweight inside the European Union, that does not mean success.
It means that the sneaky traitors running the country have sacrificed national interest in order to feather their own nests....

Well, the article has some points as seen here in the forum....
"Tusk selling Poland down the river" anybody??? ;)

http://www.polishforums.com/off-topic-lounge-47/polish-pm-tusk-teroriz e-serbs-interests-albania-germany-42123/

...interesting comments to this article though!
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Edited by: TIT  Feb 19, 10, 19:40    #5
Well, considered that for a part of Polish society ( those of old II Republic extraction ) Tusk is seen as a German puppet a slogan 'Tusk sells Poland down the river' could be true, BB.
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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  Feb 19, 10, 19:45    #6
TIT:
Well, considered that for a part of Polish society ( those of old II Republic extraction ) Tusk is seen as a German puppet a slogan 'Tusk sells Poland down the river' could be true, BB.

That's what the article got right...
You have an government which is everywhere in Europe accepted and respected (and not laughed about or treated with rolling eyes behind their backs as before), who presides over a progressing, stabilizing economy who get's the positive attention of many experts now and all you have to say about him is "a german puppet" who "sells Poland down the river"!

...this article is spot on!
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 Feb 19, 10, 20:14    #7
Tust is a French puppet, not German. When there are French visitors, he bows to them the lowest.
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 Feb 19, 10, 20:17    #8
Harry:
Although I do the bloke who did write it.

LOL.
How regularly do you "do" him ?
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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  Feb 19, 10, 20:20    #9
Ksysia:
Tust is a French puppet, not German. When there are French visitors, he bows to them the lowest.

What exactly does he do wrong??? In what way does he damage Poland, neglects his duty?
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 Feb 19, 10, 20:28    #10
szkotja2007:

Harry:
Although I do the bloke who did write it.

LOL.
How regularly do you "do" him ?

*Blush* I seem to have missed the word 'know' from that sentence.
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Edited by: Torq  Feb 19, 10, 20:29    #11
Ksysia:
Tust is a French puppet, not German. When there are French visitors, he bows to them the lowest.

No. He's a Japanese puppet. The servilism with which he treats Japanese visitors is disgusting.

He was also nice to Czech, Spanish, Turkish and Swedish delegates. The puppet.

Harry:
*Blush* I seem to have missed the word 'know' from that sentence.

Yeah - I figured that out, but it was funny at first. Something doesn't add up though:
you said "whoever wrote the article (...)" and then you claim that you DO know the
author. So - who is paying you to lie, Harry? :-)
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 Feb 19, 10, 20:41    #12
Bratwurst Boy:
What exactly does he do wrong??? In what way does he damage Poland, neglects his duty?

He doesn't demonstrate to all other nations that as a Pole he is automatically better than them.


Torq:
Something doesn't add up though:
you said "whoever wrote the article (...)" and then you claim that you DO know the
author.

You notice the hour and ten minutes gap between those two postings? Long enough to fire off a quick email to the bloke you suspect is the author and get a reply to the affirmative, isn't it.
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 Feb 19, 10, 20:46    #13
Harry:
He doesn't demonstrate to all other nations that as a Pole he is automatically better than them.

He also seems to dare to have good relations with Russia, a country on which Poland massively relies on.

Not one person who rabbits on about the "Jewish-German conspiracy to keep Poland down" has ever explained to me what Poland should do in the absence of Russian energy.
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 Feb 19, 10, 20:49    #14
Harry:
Long enough to fire off a quick email to the bloke you suspect is the author and get a reply to the affirmative, isn't it.

I guess. Anyway - whoever is the author, he must have read some of the posts
on PolishForums before writing his article :-) Are we really that bad?
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delphiandomine:
Not one person who rabbits on about the "Jewish-German conspiracy to keep Poland down" has ever explained to me what Poland should do in the absence of Russian energy.

Remember Blackadder meeting his aunt and uncle, Lord and Lady Whiteadder? "You have fire in your house! Wicked Child!! Cold is simply God's way of telling us to burn more Catholics!"

As any mohair beret wearing Radio Maryja listener will tell you: You have gas in your house?! Wicked child!!! Cold is God's way of telling us to burn more Jews!
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Edited by: Torq  Feb 19, 10, 21:06    #16
Harry:
As any mohair beret wearing Radio Maryja listener will tell you: You have gas in your house?! Wicked child!!! Cold is God's way of telling us to burn more Jews!

I listen to Radio Maryja every now and again. They're not too bad (except for the
occasional antics of Ojciec Dyrektor :-)). Do you actually listen to Radio Maryja,
Harry, or do you rely on what "Gazeta Wyborcza" writes about them? lol

They represent our National-Catholic tradition and because of that deserve a lot of respect
(having said that - they're a little bit too liberal and modernist in their approach to religion
and Catholic tradition for my liking, but hey - nobody's perfect).
Espana2  Feb 19, 10, 22:07    #17
Tusk fancies himself so much as a football player that he ought to be the nations center-forward.
Probably do a better job too !
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 Feb 19, 10, 22:10    #18
No, he fancies himself the most beautiful. The clone. Where are the roads, I ask???
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 Feb 19, 10, 22:11    #19
Torq:
Do you actually listen to Radio Maryja,
Harry, or do you rely on what "Gazeta Wyborcza" writes about them? lol

I do, when I drive to work in the morning. Hearing those children driven to say prayers on air is as far as I'm concerned sickening..
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Edited by: Torq  Feb 19, 10, 22:20    #20
bullfrog:
Hearing those children driven to say prayers on air is as far as I'm concerned sickening.

Children saying prayers sickening? Oh, well - if you don't like it then I guess you're
able to switch to another station, right? I don't expect someone who isn't a Catholic
to especially enjoy Catholic prayers on radio :)

bullfrog:
I do, when I drive to work in the morning.

Why? You don't even speak Polish (at least that's what your profile says) so I guess
it's quite difficult for you to comprehend what is being told on air.
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 Feb 19, 10, 22:22    #21
How does a Catholic prayer differ from a Protestant prayer, Torq?
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 Feb 19, 10, 22:25    #22
What is Radio Maryja? How many different radio stations can you get in you car?
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Edited by: lukaszpoznanski  Feb 19, 10, 22:28    #23
f stop:
What is Radio Maryja?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Maryja

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/jun/05/poland
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Edited by: Torq  Feb 19, 10, 22:30    #24
Seanus:
How does a Catholic prayer differ from a Protestant prayer, Torq?

It depends on the prayer. As you would say: some are different, some aren't.

For instance, some protestants might be annoyed when hearing Hail Mary prayer
(in a Rosary that is very often said on Radio Maryja).

But you don't really expect me to elaborate on the differences between Catholicism
and Protestantism, Seanus. We both know after reading "Mere Christianity" that there
are lots of things that different Christian denominations have in common, but there
are also substantial differences.
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 Feb 19, 10, 22:31    #25
Torq:
You don't even speak Polish (at least that's what your profile says) so I guess
it's quite difficult for you to comprehend what is being told on air.

I do understand a little, but I'm not the boasting type..

Torq:
I don't expect someone who isn't a Catholic
to especially enjoy Catholic prayers on radio :)

I am Catholic, but praying is and must remain private. Having this aired, especially with children involved is akin to exhibitionism for me
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 Feb 19, 10, 22:38    #26
Seanus:
How does a Catholic prayer differ from a Protestant prayer, Torq?

They mean it! ;)
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 Feb 19, 10, 22:40    #27
bullfrog:
praying is and must remain private

bullfrog:
is akin to exhibitionism for me

Why? Are you ashamed of your faith? Too proud to show it openly in public?
I never understood all this talk about "private religion" to be honest. Private
religion with private prayers and a "private God" perhaps?

OK - I'm not going to be dragged into discussion about religion. I've had it
too many times (not only on this board) and I found it ultimately pointless.
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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  Feb 19, 10, 22:43    #28
Torq:
OK - I'm not going to be dragged into discussion about religion. I've had it
too many times (not only on this board) and I found it ultimately pointless.

There you have your answer why religion should be kept private and unobtrusive.
Otherwise it WILL cause and attract much discussions, tensions and ultimatively fights...our societies don't need that. It is still a highly toxic, splitting, disruptive matter. But ultimately pointless.
Been there, done that...have the war scars from centuries to show!

IMHO a catholic radio is okay...nobody is forced to listen! (I would wish for a pagan radio too)
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 Feb 19, 10, 22:49    #29
f stop:
What is Radio Maryja? How many different radio stations can you get in you car?

everybody gets radio marya
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 Feb 19, 10, 22:52    #30
The Mohair Beret Brigade swear by it. Go to Polish villages and they'll tell you all about it ;)

Ah, but Torq, can you tell me the difference rather than just saying there are? ;) ;)


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