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Polonius3Threads: 1,005
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For the first time PiS has moved ahead of PO in the polls, and among the young it is clearly favoured. Maybe slippery Don and his gang of con artists and manipulators will not be able to continue their corrupt schemes and arrangements??? Maybe it's time for PiS to resume its unfinished campaign of sweeping away scam artistis, corrupt bsuienssmen and SB hold-overs.
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Polonius3Threads: 1,005
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I take it you're no big fan of PiS.
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I take it you're no big fan of PiS.

What Pole is...
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Please no fourth republic.
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For the first time PiS has moved ahead of PO in the polls, and among the young it is clearly favoured.

Moved ahead? Where?

And it's pretty obvious that you're not in Poland - among the young educated ones, PiS are about as unpopular as it gets.

Maybe slippery Don and his gang of con artists and manipulators will not be able to continue their corrupt schemes and arrangements???

You obviously didn't live in PiS-Poland then, what with plenty of corruption going on within PiS too.

Anyway, it doesn't matter if PiS actually gain the most seats - the PO/PSL/SLD trio will combine to keep PiS out of power regardless.

Maybe it's time for PiS to resume its unfinished campaign of sweeping away scam artistis, corrupt bsuienssmen and SB hold-overs.

You think they ever started?

I mean, the President of PiS had a collaborationist traitor for a father - shouldn't he sweep himself away, too?

Incidentally, like the other polls - there's about 20% of people who are "undecided". Those will vote either PO or SLD - which essentially is a vote for Tusk.
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Maybe the snobs, elitists, look-down-their-nosers and other assorted know-alls still support the graft and scam clique (PO), but younger 18-24 voters now favour PiS. So all is not lost.

http://wpolityce.pl/wydarzenia/14540-pis-wygrywa-wsrod-mlodych-29-proc -osob-w-wieku-od-18-24-lat-popiera-partie-jaroslawa-kaczynskiego

summary in english or it goes in the bin.
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Maybe the snobs, elitists, look-down-their-nosers and other assorted know-alls still support the graft and scam clique (PO), but younger 18-24 voters now favour PiS. So all is not lost.

It's on the basis of one poll, and the same poll makes it clear that a majority of young people prefer PO/PSL/SLD/Palikot. In fact, the poll you reference shows a crushing defeat for PiS - they can 'only' count on 29% support from young people. That's pretty devastating - no matter how you spin it, they're still 22% away from gaining a majority. And in fact, this poll might do more harm than good - it'll remind young people that they need to vote against PiS in this election.

As I've said countless times - it doesn't matter if PiS wins - they need to put together a majority in the Sejm. And they won't - because we already saw in many places that PO/PSL/SLD are willing to form a "cordon sanitaire" against them.

Fundamentally, not one PiS supporter has yet explained how they propose PiS can form a government when PO/PSL are already in a coalition and the SLD/PO manifestos aren't so far apart (as well as common, shared visions between the PSL and SLD). Remember, the Prime Minister needs to win a vote of confidence. As it stands, PiS can't win that.

(for the moderator : the summary of the link is that a poll was carried out among young people, and the poll revealed that 29% of young people will vote for PiS, and 27% for PO. It's a strange poll, because it goes against all the other ones)
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=Polonius3]Maybe slippery Don and his gang of con artists and manipulators will not be able to continue their corrupt schemes and arrangements??? Maybe it's time for PiS to resume its unfinished campaign of sweeping away scam artistis, corrupt bsuienssmen and SB hold-overs.

Hey, that`s cheap provocation! :):):):)

I certainly won`t take the bait. :):):):)

=legend]Please no fourth republic.

Yes, we already had it and the effect was disastrous. PiS leaders are masters of creating conflicts everywhere.
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IF PIS WINS, WILL THE LAST PERSON IN POLAND PLEASE TURN OUT THE LIGHTS!

It will be like the village pauper/drunk running the local parish again.

Don't panic though, because the OP's knowledge of Polish politics and generally all things Polish is so **** poor, that he has know idea that PIS only gained 14% of the popular vote among young university students-compared to 52% for PO in the pra prawybory(:
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OK so there are plenty of negative reasons to vote against PiS - are there any positive reasons to vote for any of the rest of them ? Don't assume that the don't knows are going to support PO, I think many of them will simply not vote. I'm surprized that my wife who was a strong PO supporter, is very civic minded and always took it seriously in the past has said she will not vote this time.
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What Pole is...


Yes, all PiS voters are "expats", Harry, sobieski and all...
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Joined: Mar 31, 08 ♂ 		 Sep 14, 11, 08:20    #13
And in fact, this poll might (...) remind young people that they need to vote against PiS in this election.


Yeah. My suspicious and cynical side thinks this could be a plant for just that reason.
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PiS are about as unpopular as it gets



Mr D once again your anti Polish hysteria has overcome your emotions! Do you support Tusk a unknown type, whose real identity is questionable, is he German is he a mate of Putin is he a traitor?
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are there any positive reasons to vote for any of the rest of them ?


Well, the last 4 years have been stable - certainly a rarity in Polish politics. Seems to me a vote for the PO/PSL coalition is a vote for stability.

Don't assume that the don't knows are going to support PO, I think many of them will simply not vote.


Which is still a disaster for PiS - they need the "don't knows" to vote for them. I'm also convinced that most of the "don't knows" are people torn between PO/SLD and not voting at all.

Mr D once again your anti Polish hysteria has overcome your emotions!


What? Young people in the cities (don't forget - the cities are the ones which decide who wins in Poland) tend to loathe PiS - that much is an undeniable fact. Take a look at the previous elections if you want confirmation of this...

Do you support Tusk a unknown type, whose real identity is questionable, is he German is he a mate of Putin is he a traitor?


Spare the Polonia nonsense, please.

(tell you what - both of Tusk's grandfathers were imprisoned during the war, and Kashubians have a long history of being on the same side as Poles - perhaps a bit of historical knowledge wouldn't go amiss?)

Still, I look forward to posting all sorts of smug victory comments come the election. It'll be great to see all the PiS supporters whining, moaning and complaining for a long, dark, miserable 3 years without any elections.
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[quote=delphiandomine]Still, I look forward to posting all sorts of smug victory comments come the election. It'll be great to see all the PiS supporters whining, moaning and complaining for a long, dark, miserable 3 years without any elections.


once again confirms your anti polish stance! Sorry old chum!
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Joined: Jun 1, 08 ♂ 		 Sep 14, 11, 09:57    #17
For the first time PiS has moved ahead of PO in the polls, and among the young it is clearly favoured. Maybe slippery Don and his gang of con artists and manipulators will not be able to continue their corrupt schemes and arrangements??? Maybe it's time for PiS to resume its unfinished campaign of sweeping away scam artistis, corrupt bsuienssmen and SB hold-overs.

Tell me...how did the Kaczyński clan manage to have such a big flat in elite Żoliborz during commie time...And the sons managed to study during same commie time?
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wielki pan
Funny to see all these PIS drones on the forum. They all seem to live outside of Poland :) Maybe that is why they know the mood of the country so well :)
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elite Żoliborz

I don't think Żoliborz is a elite part of Poland.


wielki pan
Funny to see all these PIS drones on the forum. They all seem to live outside of Poland :) Maybe that is why they know the mood of the country so well

They know because of experience.
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I don't think Żoliborz is a elite part of Poland.

This means you do not live in Poland / Warsaw (by the way you did not comment on the commie flat). If you would live in Warsaw, you would know that having a property in Żolibórz is...very expensive. It was already elite pre-war and in commie time even more so.
Comes back the question, how the K. were able to live there in a spacious flat at a time when the average family had to wait years to get a 30 m2 cubicle - for rent?
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This means you do not live in Poland / Warsaw (by the way you did not comment on the commie flat). If you would live in Warsaw, you would know that having a property in Żolibórz is...very expensive. It was already elite pre-war and in commie time even more so.Comes back the question, how the K. were able to live there in a spacious flat at a time when the average family had to wait years to get a 30 m2 cubicle - for rent?



Very expensive.. not sure, what about Mr Walesa... Living in some of these places was the luck of the draw ie no strings attached... get back to the point please
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delphiandomine
You obviously didn't live in PiS-Poland then, what with plenty of corruption going on within PiS too.

name plenty opf examples then please, or I hold that you make up things

Fundamentally, not one PiS supporter has yet explained how they propose PiS can form a government when PO/PSL are already in a coalition and the SLD/PO manifestos aren't so far apart (as well as common, shared visions between the PSL and SLD). Remember, the Prime Minister needs to win a vote of confidence. As it stands, PiS can't win that.


SLD just prays that PO can't form a viable coalition with PSL this time or that PSL won't make it to the Sejm - otherwise the leadership's gone (gay marriage won't give them more than some 8 per cent of vote anytime)
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I mean, the President of PiS had a collaborationist traitor for a father - shouldn't he sweep himself away, too?

if your father was a drug dealer would it be all right for you to be sentenced 20 years in prison even though you are campaigning against drugs yourself ???

btw we are in the sphere of conclusions here not hard facts - have you seen documents to support your view that Kaczyński senior was some sort of commie agent
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pawian
Yes, we already had it and the effect was disastrous. PiS leaders are masters of creating conflicts everywhere.


disastrous? - in what ways - did the foreing invesment in Poland suffer/plummet??? - as far as I can tell it was the time of the most intensive foreign investment in Poland - so where was the disaster - was economy failing - it was actually booming - have we lost EU financing? no we have negotiated a very good deal from the EU (Marcinkiewicz's 'yes, yes, yes' - this is the money PO is financing their 'successes') - there is still good chance that we will still have some solid money from the EU to use thanks to Lech Kaczyński's negotiations on the Lisbon Treaty (thanks to the negotiation Nice style of voting in the EU which gives Poland a veto power on many issues is preserved till 2014 beyond the new EU budget negotiantions)

so where did you see the disaster?
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Very expensive.. not sure, what about Mr Walesa

Wałęsa was a modest electrician in commie time. The K. clan were in property in an elite Warsaw suburb in commie time AND explain me how they managed to study in commie time, given the parental past? SB connections helped a great deal in that time.
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The K. clan were in property in an elite Warsaw suburb in commie time AND explain me how they managed to study in commie time, given the parental past? SB connections helped a great deal in that time.


do you know that Abraham Lincoln even as a president was actually originally opposed to giving the voting rights to the blacks - but he changed his mind - give people the right to change their minds or to amend their fathers' mistakes
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I mean, the President of PiS had a collaborationist traitor for a father


Michnik had a daddy and bro, who were (I think the latter pieace of **** is still alive) genocidal criminals, is that a problem for you ? I didn't hear you complaining about it but of course Kacz's father being a low rank PZPR member (just like parents of many PO politicians) is a terrible thing. How dared he to have a father like that, shame on him.

AND explain me how they managed to study in commie time


Excuse me ?
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Michnik was in and out of prison nonstop in commie time. Why JK was not interned...and LK only for a very short time?
You would think with a father who was in the AK during the war (so how he managed to get the Żoliborz flat?)...
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Michnik had a daddy and bro, who were (I think the latter pieace of **** is still alive) genocidal criminals, is that a problem for you ? I didn't hear you complaining about it but of course Kacz's father being a low rank PZPR member (just like parents of many PO politicians) is a terrible thing. How dared he to have a father like that, shame on him.

Michnik never hid behind his daddy, unlike Duck Boy, who somehow stayed out of prison in commie times.
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=gumishu]disastrous? - in what ways - did the foreing invesment in Poland suffer/plummet??? - as far as I can tell it was the time of the most intensive foreign investment in Poland - so where was the disaster - was economy failing - it was actually booming - have we lost EU financing? no we have negotiated a very good deal from the EU (Marcinkiewicz's 'yes, yes, yes' - this is the money PO is financing their 'successes') - there is still good chance that we will still have some solid money from the EU to use thanks to Lech Kaczyński's negotiations on the Lisbon Treaty (thanks to the negotiation Nice style of voting in the EU which gives Poland a veto power on many issues is preserved till 2014 beyond the new EU budget negotiantions)

Very well said, gumishu. It is all true.

so where did you see the disaster?

I will gladly tell you where. The disaster hapenned after PiS` successful attempt to destroy people`s mood, to spoil the general atmosphere in Poland and around it too. PiS provoked many silly internal and external conflicts which could be avoided. It was PO which hushed them down.

That was the reason PiS lost 2007 elections. Poles, apart from boomin economy, want peace and quiet on the Polish front.

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