Tusk apes Gordon Brown by raiding pension funds

VarsovianThreads: 91 Posts: 568 Joined: Nov 23, 06 ♂	Jan 3, 11, 15:33 #1
Incredible but true. Pure theft. Just what you'd expect from a bloke who on election stopped investigations into his crooked friends overnight.

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Jan 3, 11, 15:44 #2

Varsovian:

Incredible but true.

Wrong. He hasn't raided anything - he's just cut the amount that the private funds are getting. Given that these OFE funds are all but useless anyway (what exactly is 7.3% a month of what people pay in social insurance contributions?) and that it's only a cut to 3%, is it really worth talking about?

Varsovian:

Pure theft.

Wrong. Theft is when you take something that isn't yours. In this case, the government just isn't giving anymore.

Varsovian:

Just what you'd expect from a bloke who on election stopped investigations into his crooked friends overnight.

It's what I'd expect from a Prime Minister who sees a huge hole in ZUS that needs to be plugged and who is pragmatic enough to realise that cutting pensions in an election year is going to do no-one any favours whatsoever.

VarsovianThreads: 91 Posts: 568 Joined: Nov 23, 06 ♂	Jan 3, 11, 15:58 #3
Delfy ZUS = theft Ask a Pole. Any Pole.

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended]	Jan 3, 11, 16:04 #4
Varsovian: ZUS = theft No worse than any other social insurance institution in Europe.

VarsovianThreads: 91 Posts: 568 Joined: Nov 23, 06 ♂	Jan 3, 11, 16:14 #5
Hmmm ZUS takes it to another level

ZiemowitThreads: 10 Posts: 1,063 Joined: May 8, 09 ♂	Jan 3, 11, 16:15 #6
Varsovian: ZUS = theft Ask a Pole. Any Pole. Until now, they have paid. The trouble is, will they pay and how much in, say, 15 or 20 years. Nor the pension funds are innocent lambs. They used to charge enormous fees in the beginning which are less now because the governments ordered them to adjust. I neither trust ZUS nor the pension funds.

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Jan 3, 11, 16:26 #7
Varsovian: ZUS takes it to another level Or it could be that Poles take it to another level. From memory the percentage of the population who work is lower in Poland than in any other first world nation.

joepilsudskiThreads: 44 Posts: 2,529 Joined: Apr 27, 07 ♂	Jan 3, 11, 16:26 #8
delphiandomine: Wrong. He hasn't raided anything - he's just cut the amount that the private funds are getting. Given that these OFE funds are all but useless anyway (what exactly is 7.3% a month of what people pay in social insurance contributions?) and that it's only a cut to 3%, is it really worth talking about? I will take YOUR money...Worth talking about?

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Jan 3, 11, 20:54 #9

It's not a theft. ZUS only funds half of every person's pension, the government gives the rest so if the government has no money, it obviously can't give any. And Harry has a point - HALF of Poland's adult population doesn't work so it obviously affects the funds (and it has less to do with no job opportunities and more with an inborn belief that their ass was made for a menager's seat at least, and a cashier job is infinitely below them)

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Jan 3, 11, 21:24 #10

Varsovian:

ZUS takes it to another level

Really?

Let's discuss the German or Swiss systems, shall we? Both of those force people to purchase private health insurance. No ifs, no buts - and even unemployed people are forced to do so in Switzerland.

Or let's discuss the UK model, where you can pay a small fortune in NI, yet get the same basic pension at the end of the day as someone who was earning minimum wage.

Or let's talk about the Swedish model, where the social taxation is unbelievably high.

Sorry, but the real theft in Poland is committed by all those trade unions who go beserk every time "pension reform" is mentioned.

PlasticPoleThreads: 10 Posts: 5,432 Joined: May 28, 09 ♀	Jan 3, 11, 21:49 #11
Varsovian: Incredible but true. Pure theft. Just what you'd expect from a bloke who on election stopped investigations into his crooked friends overnight. Sad thing is, pensions are always at risk, whether in private or public sector.

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Edited by: hague1cmaeron Jan 3, 11, 23:51 #12

Varsovian:

Incredible but true. Pure theft.

Just what you'd expect from a bloke who on election stopped investigations into his crooked friends overnight.

my understanding is that he is not taxing them-as Gordon Brown did, however simply transferring them into a different account. It is simply a way of showing the eurocrats that they are counting the debt incorrectly, and through this accounting trick debt will look a little lower.

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