Tusk: Poland will support Croatia for EU membership

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May 8, 11, 16:18 #1

Prime Minister Donald Tusk concluded his three day visit to the Balkans with a trip to Croatia on Saturday, with Zagreb close to finalising negotiations on joining the EU.

http://www.thenews.pl/international/?id=154930
http://daily.tportal.hr/126511/Tusk-Croatia-deserves-to-complete-entry -talks-as-soon-as-possible.html

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	May 8, 11, 16:25 #2
Weren't they blocked by Slovenia for so long? I don't think it will please some Balkans folk given the big players in the EU having recognised Kosovo but let's not enter into that. Croatia is likely ready to join. They had assigned 2012 as their entry date.

gumishuThreads: 17 Posts: 3,943 Joined: Apr 6, 09 ♂	May 8, 11, 16:25 #3
Poland will support Croatia membership - it's as if he said anything - the only foreign policy of Mr Tusk (OK I am exaggerating a bit) is to follow in the footsteps of Germany - in the sense that lack of foreing policy is also a policy - btw I'm not against the presence of Croatia in the EU ( I don't mind)

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	May 8, 11, 16:27 #4
There won't be much problems with Croatia, I think...they have already a good standing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_of_Croatia_to_the_European_Unio n

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May 8, 11, 19:56 #5

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Seanus:

Croatia is likely ready to join. They had assigned 2012 as their entry date.

With the latest turmoil after the verdicts in Hague and anti eu protests we will have to see. Their rotten history of the 90's will probably be decide about that and how they face it.

After all eu is not making the calls, even though the big boss was busy until now he'll consider.

It seems that on the Balkans has begun a process of some cleaning and dealing with historical facts which were long hidden, because it did not fit in the agenda.

Croatia, Kosovo, BIH, war in the 90's...those are unsolved issues and ALL, parties have their part in that.

PennBoy:

Prime Minister Donald Tusk concluded his three day visit to the Balkans

I personally support his initiative, because if or if not the eu will survive, there will be alliances necessary in the future. ;)

mafketisThreads: 17 Posts: 1,880 Joined: Mar 31, 08 ♂	May 8, 11, 19:57 #6
I predict Crow will not be pleased......

gumishuThreads: 17 Posts: 3,943 Joined: Apr 6, 09 ♂	May 8, 11, 20:02 #7
mafketis: I predict Crow will not be pleased.... Crow will start five different threads which titles will subtely suggest how unfortunate is Croatian EU-membership to the future of Sarmatia-to-be ;)

saschaThreads: 13 Posts: 3,856 Joined: Jun 10, 10 ♂	May 8, 11, 20:05 #8
mafketis: I predict Crow will not be pleased...... Don't think so. Why? He is interested in the well being of the people and that truth is spoken. gumishu: Croatian EU-membership That 'barrel of gun powder' area has to be patient and until nothing is official all is speculation.

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May 8, 11, 20:15 #9

Sascha, I don't think the EU could hold that against Croatia. Of course, many were guilty but that was an avoidable war that some EU members, through NATO, stoked up. For Germany to turn round and blame the aspirations of the whole country would be unfair. I don't think Crow will be too worried as he has said many times that Germany is close to Croatia anyway. Formalising that won't make much difference to anything.

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Edited by: Crow May 8, 11, 20:43 #10

Tusk: Poland will support Croatia for EU membership

it is good that Poland present itself in the region (Balkan) as factor of influence in Europe. Till now, historically, Croatian elite was intimidated exclusively by Germany which led to creation of specific pro-Germanic ideology within Croatian society. Let us hope that Poland`s influence on Croatia (even if it means support for EU membership) may result in Croatia`s deflection from status of German satellite. It could open new perspective for entire region

MalopolaninThreads: 8 Posts: 198 Joined: Sep 5, 10 ♂	May 8, 11, 20:50 #11
Croatia in, Poland out - that would be a good deal.

gumishuThreads: 17 Posts: 3,943 Joined: Apr 6, 09 ♂	May 8, 11, 20:51 #12
Malopolanin: Croatia in, Poland out - that would be a good deal. so you really want to be the next Ukraine

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May 8, 11, 20:53 #13

Seanus:

Sascha, I don't think the EU could hold that against Croatia.

Not directly, but since Germany got from the eu the main role for BIH they are pulled in responsability and I was just mentioning that the fresh developments are considered. Nothing more.

Seanus:

many were guilty but that was an avoidable war that some EU members, through NATO, stoked up.

Exactly and that's why some 'cleaning process' has begun, mostly from those participants to enlighten their concience...

Seanus:

For Germany to turn round and blame the aspirations of the whole country would be unfair

Yap, there is no blame to do, just to see what is going on, because the croatina society is kinda boiling under the surface when it comes to the 90's. They do not like to be seen as offenders, which all 3 parties in a way were.

Crow:

Croatia`s deflection from status of German satellite

Agreed and they have to work on digesting their history. Never did it and eu will keep an eye on that. ;)

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May 8, 11, 20:54 #14

Crow:

Till now, historically, Croatian elite was intimidated exclusively by Germany which led to creation of specific pro-Germanic ideology within Croatian society.

How did Germany intimidate them? Aren't neighboring Slovenians very pro German?

Malopolanin:

Croatia in, Poland out - that would be a good deal.

What are the current figures for support for EU in Poland? Are Poles still that happy with it?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	May 8, 11, 21:02 #15
Precisely, Sascha. The EU shook things up by supporting Mujihadeen groups and they sided with Croatia. They also pushed Croatia into their operation in Krajina (Knin) so blood is on their hands. However, Croatia had its own battle with the Mujas and have moved on. They have been gearing themselves towards EU membership for some time.

saschaThreads: 13 Posts: 3,856 Joined: Jun 10, 10 ♂	May 8, 11, 21:04 #16
PennBoy: How did Germany intimidate them? Their cooperation goes way back before WW2 where Croatia was crucial allie of Nazi Germany for the Balkans and the racial ideas ending in Jasenovac. The current figure for Croatia eu support is around 40%. ;) Malopolanin: Croatia in, Poland out - that would be a good deal. You mean like 'place sharing'? ;)

MalopolaninThreads: 8 Posts: 198 Joined: Sep 5, 10 ♂	May 8, 11, 21:08 #17
gumishu: Malopolanin: Croatia in, Poland out - that would be a good deal. so you really want to be the next Ukraine I want Poland to be next Korea or Singapur. They aren't in EU.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	May 8, 11, 21:12 #18
Please keep the focus on Croatia and Polish support. Thanks! There is no real reason for PO to block Croatia. The partnership would likely be fruitful and pave the way for more Balkan states to engage in partnerships with Poland.

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Edited by: Crow May 8, 11, 21:14 #19

PennBoy:

Aren't neighboring Slovenians very pro German?

PennBoy, i don`t know are you aware that speaking of Slovenia we speak of merely 2-3 million citizens of Slovenia. Its a small country. Still, they avoided germanization thanks to decisive Serbian support in crucial historical moments. Slovenians are very Slavic oriented on the contrary to deeply germanzied Croatian society. When Slovenians sided with Germany (or failed to support Serbians) it was only due to fact that they were very weak and minor Slavic country encircled with hostile anti-Slavic factors: Austria, Italy, Croatia and Hungary. On the other side, Croatian support to Germany was passionate. Truly devoted Croats were always ready to kill for Germany and to prove its loyalty.

Please, be also informed (if you want to know more about region) that Slovenians represent much deeper and more disciplined Catholics then those who consider itself to be Croats. But, that didn`t save them from Croatian oppression. That`s why 40.000 Catholic Slovenians, when Germany invaded Yugoslavia in WWII founded shelter among Orthodox Serbs, not among `Catholic` Croats whom Slovenians sow as German servants.

gumishuThreads: 17 Posts: 3,943 Joined: Apr 6, 09 ♂	May 8, 11, 21:14 #20
Malopolanin: I want Poland to be next Korea or Singapur. They aren't in EU. I don't think you can think very logically - maybe you should do an excercise in listing the current benefits and downsides of being a member of the EU - you might probably change your mind about this and that

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,955 Joined: May 17, 07 ♂	May 8, 11, 21:20 #21
Malopolanin: I want Poland to be next Korea A Kim il Sung fan?

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