Visegrad Battle Group under the command of Poland

George Friedman, of Stratfor, writes this in his geopolitical weekly :


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As in his other reports, he puts everything into nice geopolitical and historical perspective. Worthy to read and perhaps discuss some points.

http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20110516-visegrad-new-european-military -force

Hello thats curious, i admit i'm taking Friedman with a massive grain of salt but this news is definitely news.

This excerpt somehow summarizes the reasons for the battle group:

I have read somewhere that it was not Poland that elected herself as a leader - she was actually asked to lead. But Poland did not want to carry all the burden herself and asked the rest for the real contributions, in terms of people and equipment. They all agreed to this.

responsibility, costs, manpower. It's a reason why a country's PR get's higher when doing such stunts. Not everyone got what it takes.


amen

Frankly, Western-Europe/USA don't really care about Poland/central-eastern Europe. Only thing they want is a buffer zone for themselves, not the time has come to move in an more realistic path.

I can't wait for Crow's comment on this, would he suggest Serbia and other Slavic countries to join it or only co-operate or stand neutral towards it. (maybe hostile?)

interesting development. Poland is wise and i see,... what is even more important, Poland is alive


i look forward to day when would Visegrad Group declare its full military neutrality on global military alliances


`Visegrad` could easily turn to be embryo of `Centroslavia`. Strategic experts predicted this scenario. This is good

Poland tend to restore Commonwealth to protect its own specific interests, with it, Poland is closer and closer with Serbia. Without Serbians Poland actually don`t have chance to restore its full potentials. For big game, Poland simple need Serbs.

as for Serbian stance on this development, i can only say what i know and that is- Racowie (Serbians) won`t fail Poland. We never failed. Never. Poland can count on us.

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Called for? Asked for? Part of the subject?

Since when are you part of Europe????

From Ukrainian press, 12.05.2011.

Ukraine invited to participate in battle tactical group of Visegrad Group
http://www.interfax.com.ua/eng/main/68394/

I am not sure how close the V4-Ukraine ties are to be.
1. Ukraine still sits on a fence with respect to anything EU related
2. Russians will not like it. Putin has already made a trip to Slovakia with a hidden agenda to weaken the pact

On the other hand Ukrainians have cooperated militarily for years with Poles and Lithuanians, serving in PolUkrBat (or PolLitUkrBat) batalion in Balkans. AFAIK, the three countries are going to renew their commitment to a new form of P-L-U-Bat, or whatever they are going to call themselves.

You all don't understand. The Visegrad Group is the first step towards a new Panslavia, led by the center of the West, Poland, and supported by the other saviour of Europe, Serbia.
Or something like that... :D

http://fakty.interia.pl/swiat/news/grupa-bojowa-wyszehradu-przewartosc iowanie-strategii,1640442,4

The article suggests that it was a strategical decision caused by the unpredictability of future
Russia's actions, weakness of Europe and divisions inside NATO. It also says that Romania and
Bulgaria will most likely join the alliance.

All hail the Visegrad Empire led by Glorious Rzeczpospolita!

It is for sure an interesting development, considering the fact that us and russia are still not clear on that anti rocket sh1t system and that the intentons of nato to spread some more memberships.

Russias actions are more or less clear. Keep the backyard safe and clean and let's see what nato has to offer or to do. ;)

:-)
But seriously, you are right on target. Poland appears too big compared with the other three countries, and some politicians in those countries do not like it. So Poland should really keep a low profile in order for this new initiative to succeed.

Well...what better way to get Ukraine down from the fence on your side then to invite them and bind them to you.
Isolating them, ignoring them only helps your adversary.

Visegrad group + Ukraine would actually be a very smart move!

Bratwurst are you a victim of some Slavicization performed by somebody else (not me! horror!) or you also suffer from something like those disturbing Germanization phases Crow displays from time to time?

And that is exactly what moved our valiant vassals: Czech Republic, Slovakia and Hungary
to ask for our protection. When worthy Romanians and brave Bulgarians kiss our pinky ring
and join the alliance too, we will be ready to extend Pax Polonica farther East.

Si Deus cum nobis qis sic contra nos?

http://arsenal.art.pl/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/wojciech_duda_obiekt1 .jpg]

George W Bush?

Hey...you all together could bring freedom and democracy to Russia...at last! :)

yes. destine of Jesus is destine of Slavs. Both are immortal

Sit down and have a nice cup of tea.

i see many changes coming in Europe. Take Germans for example

Germans should all return to Mother Slavija. i feel great shame (because of well known German mistakes) that many connects Germans with Serbs referring on fact about their mostly Serbian origin. Well, what can we do. i personally feel sorry to them, as for my deluded brothers. German nation is false nation and time of truth is closer and closer.


Yes Pane kurac

Let's not overheat here shall we?

I can hint that with Germany (perhaps) joining in, it would make Germany having a lot more influence then being in the EU sharing power with France, U.K. Having her "own" alliance led by Poland which she could back up. That would only provide benefits, IF Germany will act like that. It may even have a chance of redeeming herself while people whisper about the times they heard stories of how unpleasent or malace like it was in Western Europe.

The Russian federation would certainly back this (since it could break up NATO, or most of it) and having an helpfull Russian federation and an oportunistic Germany WILL lead to something positive. Another block in Europe, giving her a choice

The only ones who should moan about this and should try fighting against an creation of this is mainly Western Europe and U.S.A. If more and more countries from the former eastern block (maybe some former NATO countries aswell) join Visegrad then it shows how much faith they have in protection from western European allies or U.S.A. Certainly some american tax payers will wake up happy hearing about it. While American department of foreign affairs would locate their attention to either China or an other option. (If there are any).

Not these powergames again....that exactly was the reason for centuries of tensions and bloodshed in Europe.

Germany has enough influence and doesn't want more...especially not militarily. There are no games to be played anylonger.



Why?

What makes you think this Visegrad group is hostile to the EU? It's made up of EU-members (+Ukraine maybe)...your thinking is so 19th century.

Do you want that back?

Guys, this is just a proposal. And a battle group is not a big deal - one or two battalions of infantry, tanks, engineering. What counts is the idea of cooperation, information exchange, mutual training. A good beginning.

With the Palestinians demonstrating and the International Monetary Fund in turmoil, it would seem odd to focus this week on something called the Visegrad Group. But this is not a frivolous choice. What the Visegrad Group decided to do last week will, I think, resonate for years, long after the alleged attempted rape by Dominique Strauss-Kahn is forgotten and long before the Israeli-Palestinian issue is resolved. The obscurity of the decision to most people outside the region should not be allowed to obscure its importance.

http://www.billoreilly.com/b/Stratfor.com:-Visegrad:-A-New-European-Mi litary-Force/-906779418643105193.html

This is great news. Its about time we took a proactive stance. I think all those countries don't want to get screwed by france and rest of europe and America again like in world war 2. Especially with instability in Belarus. Lukashenko is a nut who knows what can happen there. Russia is trying to restore the soviet empire. This is a good first step. I'd love to see belarus given back to Poland, and restore the Polish Lithuanian commonwealth

Well...in that case they better leave EU and NATO first....

http://polska-zbrojna.pl/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id= 12599:minister-obrony-francji-z-wizyt-w-polsce&catid=55:z-kraju&Itemid =105

this scenario was desired and was even predicted by Serbian intelligentsia. Role of Poland in consolidation of Serbia`s relations with Vatican would be decisive, with it, Polish contribution to the stabilization of Serbian ethnic being would be enormous. It is expected that increased Polish influence, minimize negative impact of German politics on Vatican. Strong Catholic Slavic Poland is in the best interest of Slavic world, on the line of best Vatican`s interests and what is most important, in the interest of the peace on the European continent.

Go Poland!

This is exactly what Poland needs to do. Strengthen its European ties. Even more importantly with countries in its own geographical region who would actually care about what happens to it. I really hope this succeeds and expands further south to Serbia and other Slavic nations.

Contradictio in terminis ... .

And why is he still allowed to talk about Serbia when the topic has NOTHING to do with this joke of a country whatsoever??!!



Yet there is a German Pope ... :D:D:D