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Joined: Jun 13, 08 ♂ 		 Jul 1, 11, 18:20    #181
boletus:
Well, actually countries like Bulgaria (EU member) or Moldavia (aspiring for Eastern Partnership) actually look up to Poland as a potential ally on many levels. Just to name few things re Poland-Bulgaria relationship


I am not so sure about it. Maybe we can say they are at the first stage. When we look at the foreign trade and direct investment figures between these countries we see that they are very poor.
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i had a lunch today, with my business partners (relatively influences people on the local level- autonomy of Voivodina and Novi Sad city).

we mentioned political processes.... and,... we all who were present agreed on few things. That is:

1. so called west offering Serbia (Balkan) on the silver plate to the Turkey (to Turkish zone of influence)
2. Russia can`t help us even if Russia want (reason- Russia isn`t powerful enough)
3. BUT, there is significant chances that Russia support strengthening of traditional Polish interests on Balkan (and Baltic) because recent events convinced Russia that Russia has much more reasons to rely (and trust to) on Poland then onto Germany.
4. increase of Polish influence in the region may relax Serbian-Vatican ties
5. combination of Poland`s and Vatican`s interests with bless from Russia definitely must result in retreat of German interests, as well as in retreat of Turkish interests, what would furthermore minimize British-French influence on the region.

as conclusion, we all agreed that only Poland may save Serbia now and that all mega trends suggests that could be acceptable for Russia, too. Poland is only major European player whose particular interests absolutely support strengthening of Serbia in any sense, what again overlap with direct Russian interests.

We also agreed that role of Ukraine isn`t clear. It is expected that Ukraine follow logic of Serbian inteligentsia and may see hope in Poland.

that i wanted to tell you here.
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Joined: Jun 1, 08 ♂ 		 Jul 6, 11, 18:49    #183
Nobody in Poland gives a fig about Serbia.
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sobieski:
Nobody in Poland gives a fig about Serbia.

if it could be truth, it could only mean that Poland gave up from its own interests. So i believe, Poland would follow its own interests and Poland would support Serbia.

sobieski

i nicely said

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Joined: Dec 1, 11 ♂ 		 Dec 2, 11, 01:29    #185
Merged: Future of Visegrad Group (V4)

Will it replace the EU in a Eastern European sense?
Will Romania join?
Ukraine?
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Kuba TK:
Merged: Future of Visegrad Group (V4)
Will it replace the EU in a Eastern European sense?


maybe, maybe not but imo it seems a good alternative for those nations which are not heard at all in eu and which are constantly treated even now as 2nd class members, because they are from the east...
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ČESKÉ noviny, http://www.ceskenoviny.cz/news/zpravy/visegrad-group-pledges-to-form-e u-battlegroup-by-2016/790545
published: 04.05.2012, 16:51
Visegrad Group pledges to form EU Battlegroup by 2016

Terezin/Litomerice - The defence ministers of the Visegrad Group (V4) today signed an official statement on forming a joint battlegroup of more than 3000 members within the European Union by 2016, Czech Defence Minister Alexandr Vondra told journalists.
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Vondra said the joint unit commanded by Poland would have its first training in late 2015.
"It is a crucial signal that four central European countries can assume this task without the backing by any European power," he pointed out.
The V4 representatives today agreed to continue with joint military training after NATO´s mission to Afghanistan ends.
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The Visegrad Group countries also plan joint purchases of military equipment.
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Joined: Feb 16, 07 ♂ 		 May 5, 12, 11:39    #188
The UK and France (the majority of Western Europe's military forces) contribution would depend on delivery of the A400M tactical air-lifter. UK has increased its number of C-17's to 8, but the A400M will be the main method of supporting the Visigrad group.

All this talk has to take into account that Russia has 700+ fighter aircraft against Polands 50 to 70. So it would be a desperate defense at best and if Germany does nothing probably hopeless.
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boletus:
Visegrad Group pledges to form EU Battlegroup by 2016

very good
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Joined: Apr 13, 11 ♂ 		Edited by: boletus  May 21, 12, 20:47    #190
In meantime the Polish component of the EU Weimar Battlegroup undergoes its final verification during the exercise "Wyzwanie 12" (Challenge 12). The battlegroup, lead by Poland and commanded by General T. Andrzejczak, a commander of 17th Wielkopolska Mechanized Brigade, is to be on standby from January 1st, 2013. France and Germany play support roles in this battlegroup: France - medical support, Germany - logistical support. The Polish manoeuvre battalion, is to be fully operational and ready to departure within 10 days after receiving their orders to go. Its task will be to respond to military threats, but also to crises, such as floods and other natural disasters.

About 1,700 soldiers, mostly from 17th Wielkopolska Mechanized Brigade participate in the exercise. They use Rosomaks (wheeled armed vehicles), helicopters, armored aircraft, marine ferries, cannon-howitzers. Crews of Rosomaks, Honker pickups and Star trucks have already set off into three regions Poland. In Świnoujście they will be loading their equipment on ships, in Powidz - into Hercules military airplanes. In Wędrzyn training grounds - they will take on various tasks, such as crowd control or response to shelling of their base or to enemy attack on their patrols. Commanders must demonstrate their ability to respond quickly to changing situations, such as equipment break down or various mishaps. The soldiers will be faced with many surprises: they will have to put out fires, eliminate pollution, evacuate damaged equipment and handle crowd control.
http://polska-zbrojna.pl/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id= 15829:sprosta-wyzwaniu&catid=55:z-kraju&Itemid=160
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Joined: Feb 16, 07 ♂ 		 May 21, 12, 21:16    #191
Nice. What about close air support? Any attack helicopters
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some people here play to much risiko. it sees. :)

boletus:
In meantime the Polish component of the EU Weimar Battlegroup undergoes its final verification during the exercise "Wyzwanie 12" (Challenge 12). The battlegroup, lead by Poland and commanded by General T. Andrzejczak, a commander of 17th Wielkopolska Mechanized Brigade, is to be on standby from January 1st, 2013. France and Germany play support roles in this battlegroup: France - medical support, Germany - logistical support. The Polish manoeuvre battalion, is to be fully operational and ready to departure within 10 days after receiving their orders to go. Its task will be to respond to military threats, but also to crises, such as floods and other natural disasters.

good
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Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂ 		 May 21, 12, 21:27    #193
peterweg:
Nice. What about close air support? Any attack helicopters

Ready !!!
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Joined: Apr 13, 11 ♂ 		 May 21, 12, 22:10    #194
peterweg:
Nice. What about close air support? Any attack helicopters

There is no specific info about it, other than this:

The exercise "Challenge - 12" is one of the greatest tactical exercises conducted by the Polish Armed Forces in 2012. Its extent can be demonstrated by the fact that it takes place in three provinces: Lubuskie, West Pomerania and Wielkopolska. The exercise involves, in addition to troops, nearly 500 units of hardware, including but not limited to: Rosomak (Wolverine) armored personnel carriers, self-propelled 152 mm cannon-howitzer DANA, anti-aircraft ZU-23-2 Hibneryt, helicopters, transport aircraft and sea-going ferries and many others. At the same time, during the "Challenge - 12", four Polish types of the Armed Forces train and work together: Army, Navy, Air Force and Military Police.
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"Challenge - 12" and the subsequent international certification "Common chalange - 12" is an important element of preparation of the EU Weimar Battle Group.
http://www.wojsko-polskie.pl/aktualnosci/19155,podjete-wyzwanie.html

And here is something from the French side:

Things are getting serious for the French, German and Polish battlegroup - the rapid reaction force of the European Union - during the next six months. The training program is being communicated to the partners. Poles provide the bulk of the force…The Force headquarters (FHQ) of the battlegroup is to be in Mont-Valérien (France, near Paris).
Certification of the Polish forces will take place during the exercise "Wyzwanie12". Certificatification of FHQ will take place during the exercise "Common Challenge" in Wędrzyn, Poland. Field training will take place in September 2012, in Bergen Germany. Logistics exercise - October 8-12 Garlstedt, Germany.
Some deficiencies were noted regarding water purification, transport and storage of water containers, or strategic lift…
The Weimar group will be on standby for the first semester of 2013. The Nordic group, led by the British, will take over in the second semester.

http://www.unor-aor-nc.com/bulletindinforma/news-mili-12-19.pdf

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