Warsaw Modlin Airport is finally moving

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Feb 1, 12, 18:39 #1

It looks like things are finally moving...

Central and Eastern European low-cost carrier Wizz Air has confirmed plans to open a base at the new Warsaw Modlin Airport, which is due to open to commercial air traffic in third quarter of this year. The budget airline is currently bases three aircraft at Chopin Airport, the main gateway into the Polish capital, and will introduce a fourth from April 2012. However, it is to move its entire operation to the new facility, when it opens in July 2012, as part of this new arrangement, launching flights from there on July 18, 2012.

http://www.routesonline.com/news/29/breaking-news/140110/wizz-air-to-e stablish-base-at-warsaw-modlin-airport/

Sidliste_ChodovThreads: 2 Posts: 683 Joined: Jul 27, 11 ♂	Feb 1, 12, 18:48 #2
Hehe, no i dobrze, that will mean fewer chavs/Poland B cluttering up Okęcie, excellent :)

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Feb 1, 12, 18:54 #3
JonnyM: It looks like things are finally moving... Which is more than can be said for the issue of actually getting to Modlin airport by means other than car or getting there in under an hour and a half during rush hour.

antheadsThreads: 13 Posts: 306 Joined: Jan 21, 11 ♂	Edited by: antheads Feb 2, 12, 01:07 #4
ryanair wants to open up a massive base at modlin, but they seem to have a dodgy non compete agreement with wizz air (same investors) so i guess wizz air will be the main player here. Harry, there will be a bus to the railway station a few km down the road.

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Feb 2, 12, 11:26 #5

antheads:

ryanair wants to open up a massive base at modlin, but they seem to have a dodgy non compete agreement with wizz air (same investors) so i guess wizz air will be the main player here.

As far as I can see, both airlines are currently trying to stop the other from operating from Modlin while committing very little themselves. My guess is that Wizz will actually end up operating from there and that Ryanair won't.

antheads:

there will be a bus to the railway station a few km down the road.

a) Getting from Modlin to central Warsaw by train takes about an hour and a half.
b) There is a grand total of one direct train per day to Warszawa Centralna.

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Edited by: JonnyM Feb 2, 12, 11:41 #6

Harry:

a) Getting from Modlin to central Warsaw by train takes about an hour and a half.
b) There is a grand total of one direct train per day to Warszawa Centralna.

It's dreadful really. If they had any sense they'd run a shuttle to Nowy Dwor, though the train to there goes at walking pace.

It could be a good chance for Lodz airport to pick up some business - it's easy and comfortable to get to from Warsaw and a lot more affordable than a taxi between Nowy Dwor and Modlin.

db1874Threads: 10 Posts: 251 Joined: Jun 28, 07 ♂	Feb 2, 12, 12:00 #7
outside rush hour it's about 40 mins to get there by car from central Warsaw, I'm driving the road often to get to the golf course up there. There's also a flyover being built in Lomianki at one particularly bad set of traffic lights, that should help the flow of traffic a little back into Warsaw.

JonnyMThreads: 16 Posts: 4,487 Joined: Mar 9, 11 ♂	Feb 2, 12, 12:02 #8
db1874: I'm driving the road often Remember that most people going to the airport won't be driving.

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Feb 2, 12, 12:11 #9

db1874:

outside rush hour it's about 40 mins to get there by car from central Warsaw, I'm driving the road often to get to the golf course up there.

I used to teach in Palmiry and needed to allow 40 minutes to get there (at 10 in the morning) from central Warsaw. Modlin has to be a least a quarter of an hour from there.

db1874:

in Lomianki at one particularly bad set of traffic lights

Are any of them not bad?

JonnyM:

Remember that most people going to the airport won't be driving.

Especially not the people going to that one!

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Edited by: antheads Feb 2, 12, 14:24 #10

Thats right the airport bus will go to Novy Dwor with new services from central.
A train station at modlin airport with skm trains running from central is planned within a year of the airport opening. There is already an rail siding to the airport so it just needs to be electrified and cleaned up. The problem that Modlin is facing is that it will be already overcrowded when it opens, it was built too small and will remind people of the dreadfull etudia terminal at okencie years ago.

This is a good article that shows how ryanair and wizzair do not really compete as they are both funded by indigo partners. Since then they have a few routes that they share but never to the same airport.

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Edited by: Wedle Feb 2, 12, 15:03 #11

antheads:

Thats right the airport bus will go to Novy Dwor with new services from central.

The original idea was to run a line into Warsaw on the left bank of the Wisla through kielpin and Lomianki, the nature lovers put the kibosh on that idea, from what I have been informed there will be two routes out to Modlin from Warszawa, one going through central to Praga and on to Modlin and another going through Dworzec Gdański and on to Modlin.

Harry:

Are any of them not bad?

If you have a problem with the Wisla strada go through Młociny and round the back of the cemetery and drop into Kielpin/Lomianki that way, cutting out most of the road congestion.

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Edited by: JonnyM Feb 2, 12, 15:11 #12

Wedle:

, the nature lovers put the kibosh on that idea

Quite sensible - the left bank is something of a beauty spot and it makes more sense to upgrade the existing line through Legionowo.

Wedle:

one going through central to Praga and on to Modlin and another going through Dworzec Gdański and on to Modlin.

That's part of the upgrade to Warszawa Torunska and Warszawa Praga Station. Between there and Modlin they follow the same route. The line splits after W-wa Praga - some trains go via Zoo and Gdanski Stations and end up at Kolo and Wola Stations (the back bit of W-wa Zachodnia), the others go (via a quite interesting route) past Elsnerów and Szmulki and go via W-wa Wschodnia and Powisle to Centralny.

They can't afford to run the Metro to Brodno or Tarchomin in the forseeable, so they hope more people will use the tarted up PKP stations at Torunska, Płudy and Praga. It's just a coincidence that this will benefit passengers to Modlin Airport.

WedleThreads: 24 Posts: 786 Joined: Sep 27, 11 ♂	Feb 2, 12, 15:31 #13
JonnyM: They can't afford to run the Metro to Brodno or Tarchomin in the forseeable, so they hope more people will use the tarted up PKP stations at Torunska, Płudy and Praga. It's just a coincidence that this will benefit passengers to Modlin Airport. At least the extra trains will help the crowd who moved out to 'Dzielnicy Białołęka' avail of better transport options.

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Feb 2, 12, 15:34 #14

Wedle:

If you have a problem with the Wisla strada go through Młociny and round the back of the cemetery and drop into Kielpin/Lomianki that way, cutting out most of the road congestion.

I find it much easier to simply not bother going that way at times when the traffic is likely to be bad. Warsaw traffic has now got to the point where it simply isn't worth trying to go anywhere at certain times of the day. I live a mile from Arkadia but on Friday afternoon at 5pm, it takes half as much time to walk there as to drive. Two months ago I drove to Lublin: it took me longer to get to the junction of highways 2 and 17 in Wesola than it took to get from there to Lublin.

Without a proper rail link, the airport in Modlin is going to be of very little use for several hours per day.

WedleThreads: 24 Posts: 786 Joined: Sep 27, 11 ♂	Edited by: Wedle Feb 2, 12, 15:42 #15
Harry: Without a proper rail link, the airport in Modlin is going to be of very little use for several hours per day. Progress Harry, Warsaw getting its second ' real ' airport is a leg up. Look at Aeroport de Paris Beauvais and Airport Reus- Barcelona, if they can survive so can Modlin. Don't know about the air traffic pollution for the local residents though.

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Feb 2, 12, 15:55 #16
Wedle: Warsaw getting its second ' real ' airport is a leg up. a) Does Warsaw even need a second airport? b) In what way is it a leg up? c) Real second airports are places such as Gatwick.

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Edited by: antheads Feb 2, 12, 16:05 #17

a) Does Warsaw even need a second airport?
b) In what way is it a leg up?

Yes it does because the charges at okencie are to high for low cost airlines. It is a proven model in many cities to have a 'main' airport for traditional carriers and a 2nd 'basic' and further out airport for low cost airlines.

There will be more lcc flights to warsaw which in turn will stimulate demand.
Also 2 airports will lead to more competiton. The fact that wizz is moving to modlin means there is a chance easyjet will be lured back to okencie

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Edited by: Wedle Feb 2, 12, 18:40 #18

Harry:

a) Does Warsaw even need a second airport?

Modlin will be dedicated to low cost airlines, as a frequent flyer when spending my own money I select on price, so in my opinion competition is good for the consumer.

Harry:

b) In what way is it a leg up?

Modlin should assist in bringing down prices for travelers, provide more low cost routes, as well as taking some traffic away from Okęcie.

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Harry:

c) Real second airports are places such as Gatwick.

I could not even begin to compare Warsaw to London.
Maybe Manchester or Birmingham in size of population.

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Feb 2, 12, 20:23 #19

Wedle:

I could not even begin to compare Warsaw to London.
Maybe Manchester or Birmingham in size of population.

Manchester's second airport is in some ways Liverpool. Like most smaller British ones built in the last few years it is almost identical to others - virtually a prefab. This would be a good idea for Modlin. What surprises me is that it's been planned so long, but the rail link won't be in place from day one.

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Edited by: Wedle Feb 2, 12, 21:05 #20

JonnyM:

. What surprises me is that it's been planned so long, but the rail link won't be in place from day one.

The only thing that surprises me is that after being in Poland for so many years, you are still surprised. Par for the course JonnyM, why be efficient when you can get more more for being inefficient, the clothes may change, the car gets more expensive, but when you scrape the veneer of respectability, its still the same sh1t underneath.

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Edited by: londontowarsaw Feb 5, 12, 14:20 #21

This spells disaster, I'm afraid. I would even say that Wizzair has possibly underestimated the awful transport facilities from the centre of Warsaw to Modlin and moving is too soon.
Other cities cope with low cost airports outside the city by having excellent transport infrastructure. Warsaw is still building up its road and transport network and is not quite equipped to offer anything decent to regular business travellers out at Modlin, especially at rush hour, late on a Sunday night or early Monday morning. It can take me 15 minutes or an hour and 15 minutes from the centre of Warsaw to Okecie airport, so Modlin will be completely unattractive to many of us who commute to and from the UK for business. There isn't a high speed rail or road network in Warsaw so how moving right now makes good business sense is a mystery.
It's a big shame as Wizzair at Okecie offers a great service at very good prices, but it looks like many of my colleagues will also switch to national carriers to Heathrow from July - unless Easyjet spots the perfect business opportunity at Okecie.
Farewell Wizzair.

antheadsThreads: 13 Posts: 306 Joined: Jan 21, 11 ♂	Feb 5, 12, 18:52 #22
Yep.. out of the european lcc's easyjet is my favorite, I would think okencie will now get honest and start to lower their charges to attract easyjet. Would be great to fly to charles de gaule airport on easyjet instead of that dreadfull Beauvais.

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