Yankees to come here with their anti-missile system

Klap

Apr 27, 11, 15:49 #1

Yankees to come here with their anti-missile system. Confirmed.

Well, according to the recent statements made by Mrs. Clinton, in the nearest future here we are to see our American friends with their lousy anti-missile radar system. Smile through your tears and do folk dancing to the American tune!

Seriously speaking, here I want all of you right now to face this narrow loop our country has practically already put its head into... Think about it, especially considering well-known ‘peaceful nature’ of our American "friends"... As for me, personally see nothing good in those US military objects within the territories of my country – mean anti-missile system and the US Army air force base as well. It’s so well-known that American military treat aboriginals (as they call native population) outright piggishly! The example of the US base in Japan is quite demonstrative.

And finally, potential placement of the US elements of anti-missile defense here will make Poland a prime target for Islamic terrorists. Nothing good...

FUZZYWICKETSThreads: 12 Posts: 1,999 Joined: Nov 3, 09 ♂	Apr 27, 11, 15:52 #2
Klap wrote: Yankees to come here with their anti-missile system. Confirmed. Hasn't this been "confirmed" several times already over the past few years?

tygrysThreads: 2 Posts: 404 Joined: Dec 28, 07 ♂	Apr 27, 11, 15:55 #3
We Americans would rather spend our money on raising our children than defending other countries. Too bad some people categorize everything into one.

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Apr 27, 11, 15:55 #4

Absolutely right there is nothing good that can come from this. The imperial american government will only cause damage wherever it goes. Poland does not need the missile system, but after getting in bed with amerikkka it just might! To people who support this, what good at all can come from this for Poland? Who do we need protection from? Iran? so called terrorists? The americans do not give a single **** about Poland, just using it as a pawn in their game of world domination.

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Apr 27, 11, 16:02 #5

Piast Poland:

Absolutely right there is nothing good that can come from this.

and bad??? what bad can come from this??? explain and elaborate

I would rather have this american shield - it won't protect us from Iranian IBM's (should they have any) but it can hmm deter somebody else :)

still American administration is already complaining that there is little to no cooperation on the light version of the shield on the Polish side (I will post a link if I can find one)

Piast PolandThreads: 3 Posts: 272 Joined: Aug 28, 10 ♂	Apr 27, 11, 16:11 #6
First of all, as I said Its clear America does not give a **** about Poland. We help them, they will leave us hanging as soon as its convenient for them. No need to antagonize neighbors such as Russia over nonsense such as this shield. Why should Poland be a slave-pawn to the US?

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Apr 27, 11, 16:12 #7

Klap:

US Army air force

There is no such thing as an army air force base.

Klap:

aboriginals (as they call native population)

No they don't ... that's how the native population of Australia is called.

Klap:

The example of the US base in Japan is quite demonstrative.

No problems anywhere in Germany, the Netherlands, Belgium, England, Italy, Belgium, Azores, ..., ... .

Klap:

And finally, potential placement of the US elements of anti-missile defense here will make Poland a prime target for Islamic terrorists.

I thought you said it was confirmed?! So why "potential"? Make up your mind, will you? And don't you think the fact that Polish forces are in Ghazni would be enough of an excuse for them to blow up some bombs here and there? The fact that some missiles will be stationed in Poland won't suddenly make them change their targets. And besides ... they don't need any excuse for their terrorist attacks anyway.

gumishuThreads: 17 Posts: 3,943 Joined: Apr 6, 09 ♂	Edited by: gumishu Apr 27, 11, 16:15 #8
Stu: And don't you think the fact that Polish forces are in Ghazni would be enough of an excuse for them to blow up some bombs here and there? some people find it too difficult to see too many aspects of a given situation at a time ;) :P and they find difficult to see the difference between their personal fears and prejudices and reasoning - OK it is also sometimes true with me :P:)

Piast PolandThreads: 3 Posts: 272 Joined: Aug 28, 10 ♂	Apr 27, 11, 16:16 #9
gumishu: Polish forces are in Ghazni A mistake that should not be followed with more of the same mistakes

StuThreads: 27 Posts: 1,109 Joined: Mar 31, 10 ♂	Edited by: Stu Apr 27, 11, 16:19 #10
gumishu: some people find it too difficult to see too many aspects of a given situation at a time ;) Obviously ... :S Let's not forget that Polish forces were also deployed in Iraq. That didn't encourage islamistic terrorists to blow up the Cultural Palace in Warsaw either.

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Apr 27, 11, 16:21 #11

There are 2 key points here if we are talking about Iran. The first is that the current range of their missiles only goes to the Romania/Ukraine border. They'd stop short of Poland. The second is that Iran harbour no aspirations to the best of my knowledge to target Poland or any other European country.

I would have hoped by now that they were merely flogging a dead horse but I fear that there are still some interested parties in the Polish govt that would opt for it.

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Edited by: Stu Apr 27, 11, 16:32 #12

Seanus:

The first is that the current range of their missiles only goes to the Romania/Ukraine border. They'd stop short of Poland.

Seanus ... their Shahab-6 IRSL-X-4/Kosar missile goes 4.000 to 4.300km (http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/iran/missile/). It is 3.963km from Tehran (which - as you know - is not on the northern border of Iran) to Warsaw (which - as you know - is not on the south eastern border of Poland) - http://www.mapcrow.info/Distance_between_Warsaw_PL_and_Tehran_IR.html

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Apr 27, 11, 16:38 #13
Plenty of time for other countries to intercept it ;) ;)

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Apr 27, 11, 16:53 #14

Klap:

The example of the US base in Japan is quite demonstrative.

Yea, the Japanese were really crying about that after the tsunami...

You know, Poland offered up land for the interceptors, I suppose you'll now call out Poles as being idiots for offering it up and wanting to be part of it?

Seanus:

Plenty of time for other countries to intercept it ;) ;)

Not really. No countries between here and Iran have the capability to intercept suborbital missiles.

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Apr 27, 11, 16:55 #15

tygrys:
We Americans would rather spend our money on raising our children than defending other countries. Too bad some people categorize everything into one.

we Americans rather spend on killing people then giving everyone health care. 1 billion will give everyone in America health care for a year and we spend 3 billion of dollars a month to kill.

gumishu:
and bad??? what bad can come from this??? explain and elaborate

simple Poland will be used in imperial aspiration of U.S. and Poland will be force to defend the U.S. installation and yes Poland will be targeted by China and Russia.
noting good will come from it as noting good is coming from being a NATO member.

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Apr 27, 11, 17:02 #16

Marek11111:

Poland will be used in imperial aspiration of U.S. and Poland will be force to defend the U.S. installation and yes Poland will be targeted by China and Russia.

Exactly. why are people so blind to this? Do you want to be amerikkka`s ***** so badly? Seems like some politicians do.

convex:

I suppose you'll now call out Poles as being idiots for offering it up and wanting to be part of it?

Poles do not care or do not want it for the most part. Just because the government does it it by no means represents what the people want.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Apr 27, 11, 17:17 #17
Polish people go to Iran without any feeling that they will be killed. Ahmedinejad is being demonised by demons from the West. Tragic irony! Maybe they could make another warship with the metallic components from an illegal act, LOL. Poland must not allow this new shield at any cost. It is not in Poland's interests at all.

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Edited by: Stu Apr 27, 11, 17:30 #18

Seanus:

Ahmedinejad is being demonised by demons from the West.

Seanus please ... I regard you as being a highly intelligent poster on PF.

Please don't tell me you forgot about this. Or the way he crushed the students' protests, or whatever protest for that matter. Or what he has been saying about the holocaust, or the rest of his speeches.

Piast Poland:

Just because the government does it it by no means represents what the people want.

Then I have an excellent suggestion. Why don't you go to the polls next time and vote for a party which is against the shield? And if more people think like you, that party will most likely form the next Polish government and the shield won't come. That's how democracy works.

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Apr 27, 11, 17:43 #19

convex:

Not really. No countries between here and Iran have the capability to intercept suborbital missiles.

What do you think Russian Naryad project was all about? The development of the system was stopped in 1995; however the key elements such as a rocket-interceptors were undergoing further development. Do you honestly think that Russians are going to be making frantic phone calls to Teheran asking what the intended targets are if any of their missiles show up on the Russian radar screens with flight path resembling that of the western Russia? LOL

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Edited by: convex Apr 27, 11, 17:57 #20

ShortHairThug:

What do you think Russian Naryad project was all about? The development of the system was stopped in 1995; however the key elements such as a rocket-interceptors were undergoing further development. Do you honestly think that Russians are going to be making frantic phone calls to Teheran asking what the intended targets are if any of their missiles show up on the Russian radar screens with flight path resembling that of the western Russia? LOL

Great circle path from Tabriz to Warsaw doesn't cross Russia. Even if it did, there wouldn't be time to intercept.

Warsaw is 2500km away, the missile will be flying at 7km/s. The math says that there would be no time for an intercept after launch. Add to that, the Russians wouldn't intercept a missile that is not destined for one of their cities.

Regardless, Iran has no reason to attack Warsaw. There is no strategic interest there for them. I think that the ICBMs are just a way for the government to insulate themselves from external threats.

If for whatever reason they would launch ICBMs at targets in Europe, Ramstein, Aviano, Lakenheath, Mildenhall, Spangdahlem, Incirlik, and especially Diego Garcia that would be targeted. Hitting Warsaw doesn't really bring anything to the table.

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Apr 27, 11, 18:02 #21

Seanus:

It is not in Poland's interests at all.

Only sensible quote in the bunch.

I don't really understand who is being protected from whom? Also, why is it my responsibility to do so? If Iran wants to fire a weapon at a European city, let them. You really have to let them fire the first weapon or risk being labeled as an aggressor. This is an ideology pushed by the EU in every conflict around the world, why would this be any different? If the EU or Poland wants a missile system they should design or buy one.

convexThreads: 46 Posts: 7,185 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Apr 27, 11, 18:09 #22
Tymoteusz: Only sensible quote in the bunch. But, apparently it is in Poland's interest, if not, why would they pursue it? Poland is getting what it wants out of the deal, and the US was getting what they wanted. The US decided not to follow through, and Poland gets block 3 Patriots instead. "Winning".

ShortHairThugThreads: - Posts: 1,377 Joined: May 1, 09 ♂	Apr 27, 11, 18:10 #23
Tymoteusz: I don't really understand who is being protected from whom? Also, why is it my responsibility to do so? All good questions. Keep asking yourself that and one day you’ll see the light, just don’t fall for that propaganda bit as if it is all about someone protecting anyone.

convexThreads: 46 Posts: 7,185 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Apr 27, 11, 18:13 #24
ShortHairThug: All good questions. Keep asking yourself that and one day you’ll see the light, just don’t fall for that propaganda bit as if it is all about someone protecting anyone. It's about protecting the US from long range ICBMs, that was made clear from the start.

TymoteuszThreads: 7 Posts: 694 Joined: Jul 25, 09 ♂	Apr 27, 11, 18:14 #25
convex: But, apparently it is in Poland's interest, if not, why would they pursue it? Follow the money warlock.

convexThreads: 46 Posts: 7,185 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Apr 27, 11, 18:15 #26
Tymoteusz: Follow the money warlock. Again, it's Poland's interest... Poland is "bi-winning".

TymoteuszThreads: 7 Posts: 694 Joined: Jul 25, 09 ♂	Apr 27, 11, 18:16 #27
ShortHairThug: All good questions. Keep asking yourself that and one day you’ll see the light, just don’t fall for that propaganda bit as if it is all about someone protecting anyone. I've always been isolationist and believe Americas greatest folly was involvement in WWII. (with the exception of the Pacific theater)

convexThreads: 46 Posts: 7,185 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Apr 27, 11, 18:19 #28
Tymoteusz: I've always been isolationist and believe Americas greatest folly was involvement in WWII. (with the exception of the Pacific theater) WWII established the USD as the world's reserve currency and turned the European empires into shadows of themselves with a minimum investment on the part of the US. But despite that, I agree with you.

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Apr 27, 11, 18:31 #29

convex:

It's about protecting the US from long range ICBMs, that was made clear from the start.

Most Americans in the fly-over states would consider the loss of major cities a blessing. I would.

convex:

WWII established the USD as the world's reserve currency and turned the European empires into shadows of themselves with a minimum investment on the part of the US. But despite that, I agree with you.

Thanks for pointing out the obvious! Unfortunately Y'all cant seem to get along.

convexThreads: 46 Posts: 7,185 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Apr 27, 11, 18:32 #30
Tymoteusz: Most Americans in the fly-over states would consider the loss of major cities a blessing. I would. Indeed. But unfortunately the voters are massed on the coasts.

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