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Edited by: purplewolf Mar 13, 10, 19:37 #1

Even poor Ukraine places itself amongst world-leaders of arms-industry... Belarus could conquer Poland with using conventional military means in a week, i guess... Our politician-prostitutes put all their faith in NATO, which supposedly is ready to defend us in every critical situation.. It's really frustrating for majority of Poles who are proud and honorable people.. Total destruction of national Polish arms-industry was a priority for all political parties and organisations in Poland functioning from 1989 which seems to be a syndrome of a self-destructive insanity in present, dangerous times..

RubasznyRumcajsThreads: 9 Posts: 281 Joined: Mar 29, 08 ♂	Mar 13, 10, 19:51 #2
seems trollish to me

purplewolfThreads: 2 Posts: 63 Joined: Mar 13, 10 ♂	Mar 13, 10, 19:56 #3
woah, it was a substanial and informative response shimmering with tons of reliable counter-arguments.. thanks, pal!...

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Mar 13, 10, 19:57 #4
Poland Vs Andorra? I wonder who would win, LOL. Security is a big priority for Poles so abandoning defensive capabilities is a non sequitir, a total misnomer.

purplewolfThreads: 2 Posts: 63 Joined: Mar 13, 10 ♂	Edited by: purplewolf Mar 13, 10, 20:05 #5
What do you expect from "Polish" politician elite out of whom circa 90% looks like a genetical mix of khazars and polish rednecks... They care only about the future of their own families..

frdThreads: 8 Posts: 1,956 Joined: Feb 3, 09 ♂	Mar 13, 10, 20:13 #6
At least we are good at counter strike.

SemsemThreads: 17 Posts: 24 Joined: Dec 28, 09 ♂	Mar 13, 10, 20:16 #7
I've always wondered...how might an American Pole join the Polish Armed Forces?

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Mar 13, 10, 20:26 #8

purplewolf:

What do you expect from "Polish" politician elite out of whom circa 90% looks like a genetical mix of khazars and polish rednecks... They care only about the future of their own families..

True, they are traitors.Instead of spending bilions on Afganistan and Iraq they should rather organize voluntary territorial self defence forces kinda like national guard in US or swiss army reserve.I dont think there would many potential invaders if they were facing lets say 8 milions armed (maybe not best equiped,but with with at least basic training) guerilla fighters.

LenkaThreads: - Posts: 235 Joined: Nov 17, 09 ♀	Edited by: Lenka Mar 13, 10, 20:27 #9
I wonder...where did you get such informations?

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Edited by: purplewolf Mar 13, 10, 20:30 #10

Lenka:

I wonder...where did you get such informations?

Google's your friend..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Armed_Forces
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_Ukraine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armed_Forces_of_Belarus

Another source of useful information: http://www.globalfirepower.com/

Ukraine - 25th, Poland -30th

Unfortunately the list of countries is not full (lack of Belarus, Czech Republic, Estonia, Lithuania, Hungary and many others)

grubasThreads: 20 Posts: 1,390 Joined: Feb 1, 10 ♂	Mar 13, 10, 20:38 #11
And they should get rid of navy.Cost to much and would not last 5 minutes in case of conflict with Russia.Get tons of antitank and antiaircraft portable launchers instead.

LenkaThreads: - Posts: 235 Joined: Nov 17, 09 ♀	Mar 13, 10, 20:41 #12
As I understand wiki is the most reliable source of informations...I really hope that you are not serious. grubas: I dont think there would many potential invaders if they were facing lets say 8 milions armed Did you heard about "Zielony Szlak"?We can't really defend that border.

purplewolfThreads: 2 Posts: 63 Joined: Mar 13, 10 ♂	Mar 13, 10, 20:46 #13
Lenka: As I understand wiki is the most reliable source of informations...I really hope that you are not serious. Oh my.. You can use every other source of information, including official statistics of supranational organisations (UN f.e.), national statistics of central-european countries, CIA factbook, and so on... Conclusions will be the same..

grubasThreads: 20 Posts: 1,390 Joined: Feb 1, 10 ♂	Edited by: grubas Mar 13, 10, 20:55 #14
Lenka: Did you heard about "Zielony Szlak"?We can't really defend that border. No I never did.what do you mean "we can't"?YES, WE CAN!

LenkaThreads: - Posts: 235 Joined: Nov 17, 09 ♀	Mar 13, 10, 21:12 #15
Maybe some comparative research made by independent institute?And I don't say that we have great army-I just don't see any reliable background here.

purplewolfThreads: 2 Posts: 63 Joined: Mar 13, 10 ♂	Mar 13, 10, 21:17 #16
Lenka: Maybe some comparative research made by independent institute? Przynudzasz, niunia...

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Edited by: Lenka Mar 13, 10, 21:24 #17

grubas:

No I never did.what do you mean "we can't"?YES, WE CAN!

So you really don't know.We can defend many kilometers of forest?The whole Bieszczady area?"Zielony Szlak" begins in Ukraine or Bielarus and ends in Poland.If you know where you should go you can come to Poland.

purplewolf:

Przynudzasz, niunia...

I'm not your niunia and of course I'm boring because it's better to say that Polish army is weak without any proof.I'm not arguing with your statement because I don't know any statistics myself,but as I can see you don't know them either.

Grzegorz_Threads: 80 Posts: 6,104 Joined: Nov 16, 06 ♂	Mar 13, 10, 21:35 #18
purplewolf: Did you know that Polish army is the weakest in Central Europe?.. No... I thought It is the weakest in the world...

purplewolfThreads: 2 Posts: 63 Joined: Mar 13, 10 ♂	Mar 13, 10, 21:40 #19
Grzegorz_: I thought Mmmm... Stop flattering yourself, it's morally disgusting...

frdThreads: 8 Posts: 1,956 Joined: Feb 3, 09 ♂	Mar 13, 10, 21:46 #20
Nevermind, our friend United Kingdom will help us like the last time... uhm.. wait

purplewolfThreads: 2 Posts: 63 Joined: Mar 13, 10 ♂	Mar 13, 10, 21:48 #21
frd: Nevermind, our friend United Kingdom will help us like the last time... uhm.. wait We can trust only in ourselves.. The sooner we understand this obvious truth, the bigger chance we have to survive as an independent and strong nation...

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Mar 13, 10, 21:49 #22
There is a British army. I'm not aware of a UK army. Stormont speaks for itself.

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Edited by: Torq Mar 13, 10, 22:56 #23

purplewolf:

Belarus could conquer Poland with using conventional military means in a week

Erm... not really.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armed_Forces_of_Belarus

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Armed_Forces

Poland: over 100 thousand active duty personnel, Belarus: about 73 thousand
Poland - men available for military service: 10,354,978; Belarus: 2,520,644
Looking at the proportions I think we can safely say that Polish reserve personnel
of about 240 thousand is also more numerous than its Belarussian counterpart.
Also, Belarus doesn't seem to have a technological edge over Poland.

Oh, and our military budget is $11.8 billion compared to Belarussian $685 million (17 times higer)

So - please, explain to us again how Belarus would conquer Poland in a week.

P.S. Did I mention that we have a professional army and Belarussian soldiers are
mainly conscripts?

purplewolf:

Polish army is the weakest in Central Europe

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purplewolfThreads: 2 Posts: 63 Joined: Mar 13, 10 ♂	Mar 13, 10, 23:04 #24
Torq: So - please, explain to us again how Belarus would conquer Poland in a week. It's simple: with friendly support of Russia.. ;)

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,023 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER ♂	Mar 13, 10, 23:05 #25
purplewolf: It's simple: with friendly support of Russia.. ;) Well, with friendly support of Russia even San Marino could conquer Poland (not in a week though :)).

frdThreads: 8 Posts: 1,956 Joined: Feb 3, 09 ♂	Mar 13, 10, 23:05 #26
Seanus: I'm not aware of a UK army. Nobody mentioned any UK army : o

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,023 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER ♂	Mar 13, 10, 23:12 #27
purplewolf: Another source of useful information: http://www.globalfirepower.com/ (...) Ukraine - 25th, Poland - 30th Denmark - 29th :-)))))

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Edited by: grubas Mar 13, 10, 23:58 #28

Lenka:

I really don't see your point here.Tell me how are you going to move a mechanized division thru this forest???Wars are being fought along communication lines and strategically important centers not in woods.

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Mar 14, 10, 01:13 #29

purplewolf:

Even poor Ukraine places itself amongst world-leaders of arms-industry...

Ukraine cant even feed its soldiers and its industry is collapsing, i wonder where you get such info?

purplewolf:

Belarus could conquer Poland with using conventional military means in a week,

Erm, Belarus could mobilize maybe 8 brigades, maybe, they'd get run over without effort.

purplewolf:

Total destruction of national Polish arms-industry was a priority for all political parties and organisations in Poland functioning from 1989 which seems to be a syndrome of a self-destructive insanity in present, dangerous times..

Actually despite some problems our industry is doing great and our military is by far the most modern and capable out of all former communist countries, we've got modern AWIFVs, modern AT assets, 48 latest block F-16s which are currently the best fighters in Europe and more, none of the countries you mentioned comes even close in military capacity.

purplewolf:

Another source of useful information: http://www.globalfirepower.com/

Ukraine - 25th, Poland -30th

Erm ... Globalfirepower gives a statistic based on nominal numbers, its worthless. Ukraine according to various estaimtes maintains between 500 and 600 functional tanks despite having over 2000 nominally.

Polish F-16s alone are enough to secure victory by simply arseraping any Eastern European airforce bar Russian.

You sir are either an idiot or a troll.

grubasThreads: 20 Posts: 1,390 Joined: Feb 1, 10 ♂	Mar 14, 10, 01:38 #30
Sokrates: 48 latest block F-16s which are currently the best fighters in Europe Are they really?How about Eurofighter Typhoon?Poland should have bought Grippens (like Czechs did) and support european industry.uuups I forgot that PL is a "troyan donkey" in EU.Never mind.

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