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Polonius3Threads: 1,005
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What do you think of the Polish EU Preisdency? Is it just a big PR/propaganda campaign and a waste of taxpayers' money or will it provide tangible benefits to the country, improve its image, attract investments and toruists, etc.?
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Polonius3:
What do you think of the Polish EU Preisdency?

Well, it's an obligation first and foremost. Will be interesting to see the influence over energy policy.
aphrodisiacThreads: 22
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Joined: Apr 15, 09 ♀ 		Edited by: aphrodisiac  Jul 1, 11, 13:42    #3
not exactly on topic,but worth watching- the light show as part of the inauguration ceremony in Szczecin (June 30 2011)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=plrAIo3HvRU
alexw68  Jul 1, 11, 13:48    #4
The early signs aren't promising.

A link from an EU press release to 'Poland's EU presidency priorities' looks like this:

http://prezydencjaue.gov.pl/en/ <-- Nice logo, shame about the substance.

When you do find the actual priority doc [google cache], though, you get this:

TFA:
Holding the Presidency of the European Union will require definition of the most important fields of action for the Union during the Polish Presidency. The activity of respective forums should be predetermined and planned in detail in the Council of the EU for when Poland presides, and the priorities of the Polish Presidency determined in this respect.
The establishment of the priorities of the Polish Presidency will require analysis of many factors. Apart from the interests of Poland, the following issues should be taken into consideration:


Pure, urzędowy bollocks. It doesn't really suggest much in the way of a coherent program.

Anyway, all bets are surely off if the EU finds itself having to contend with a Greek default.
rybnikThreads: 29
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aphrodisiac:
worth watching- the light show as part of the inauguration ceremony in Szczecin (June 30 2011)

why Szczecin?
alexw68  Jul 1, 11, 13:53    #6
rybnik:
why Szczecin?

Aphro has more political influence than we will ever know :)
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rybnik:
why Szczecin?

why not? I don't know:)

Szczecin as a city wanted to celebrate that date and it is a good city self- promotion since the celebration was broadcasted on national TV. Energy company was one of the sponsors.
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alexw68:
Aphro has more political influence than we will ever know :)

yes;)

Local government wants to promote the city of Szczecin, because it is a great city and it has not been developing as fast as the other major cities in Poland.
@Rybnik
local government in Poland is pretty strong. During your visit to Poland you will find out that Poland has changed a LOT.
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aphrodisiac:
local government in Poland is pretty strong. During your visit to Poland you will find out that Poland has changed a LOT.

I simply can't wait!
SeanusThreads: 22
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It will be a chance for Kommie to prove that he exists by emerging from hibernation. He needs to do sth of note!
BartolomeThreads: 2
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Presidency of the EU, especially by not-so-strong-an-economy as is Poland is currently rated as not having such significance as it used to have several years ago, but Poland could, as a country not previously involved in colonial adventures in MENA countries, be an exporter of the 'Round Table' idea into that region. However, the Greek mess will be the priority for the EU now and I suppose that Libya et al. will have to wait for a while.
rybnikThreads: 29
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I think it's a proud day for Poland. Also, I feel expectations are low, which is a very good thing. Hopefully, Poland will do a good job and raise some eyebrows ;) Polak potrafi!
Gruffi_GummiThreads: 1
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Yeah, a big PR/propaganda campaign, something not unlike the Harvest Festivals during Gierek's rule. Tangible benefits - negligible.
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rybnik:
I think it's a proud day for Poland. Also, I feel expectations are low, which is a very good thing. Hopefully, Poland will do a good job and raise some eyebrows ;) Polak potrafi!


They all get their turn, its like water monitor at school, nothing spesh!
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Polonius3:
What do you think of the Polish EU Preisdency?

Absolutely nothing, I just wounder what they will screw up.
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alexw68:
It doesn't really suggest much in the way of a coherent program.


Nup, my feeling is that everyone is looking at the 2011 election and this is just an inconvenient sideshow.

Didn't the UK almost totally ignore the Presidency a while ago?
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delphiandomine:
Didn't the UK almost totally ignore the Presidency a while ago?

I think that by ignoring the show you're ignoring the audience who put you there.
Simon Cowell

Only the British goverment loose when they play the game "I will Ignore you since im so much better then you".

Nobody will Respect a country that is disrespecting others.
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David_18:
I think that by ignoring the show you're ignoring the audience who put you there.


Or perhaps there's a more simple reason - the UK sees it as a monumental waste of time and money and decided that a low-key approach suited the UK far more than a high profile approach?

David_18:
Only the British goverment loose when they play the game "I will Ignore you since im so much better then you".


Not really - the EU can't afford to ignore one of the biggest economies in the world. It's well understood that the UK, despite playing a game of "we couldn't care less" is actually (along with France and Germany) ruling the EU.

David_18:
Nobody will Respect a country that is disrespecting others.


People tend to respect the might of bigger countries.
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Joined: Jan 4, 07 ♂ 		 Jul 6, 11, 00:27    #19
delphiandomine:
People tend to respect the might of bigger countries.

Not really. What kinda respect does the US have nowadays?

delphiandomine:
It's well understood that the UK, despite playing a game of "we couldn't care less" is actually (along with France and Germany) ruling the EU.

But at the same time "small" countries like Poland can just veto their ass just like they did by blocking an agreement to aim for deeper emissions cuts.

The UK is powerless against countries like Poland. While the UK "Ignores" Poland the Germans and the French will take the opportunity to get closer to Poland and outnumber the UK in the EU parlament.

So who's the looser in this case? The UK.
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David_18:
Not really. What kinda respect does the US have nowadays?


Plenty. Like it or hate it, the US can easily bully many other countries to get their way.

David_18:
But at the same time "small" countries like Poland can just veto their ass just like they did by blocking an agreement to aim for deeper emissions cuts.


Poland can't get away with it so easily - such behaviour (thus pissing off the Big 3) is always going to backfire - as they now find themselves without allies when it comes to a bigger EU budget.

David_18:
The UK is powerless against countries like Poland. While the UK "Ignores" Poland the Germans and the French will take the opportunity to get closer to Poland and outnumber the UK in the EU parlament.


The EU is far too complicated for that sort of thing - there really is no such thing as a "voting bloc" in the EU. Generally speaking though, the UK has pretty much agreed that she will have an opt-out from any particularly controversial things - and at the same time, leaves Germany ad France to push ahead with things such as Schengen and the Euro.
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Merged: EU's Barry Madlener:we don't need Polish unemployed & Romanian beggars

An MP for the anti-Islam party PVV in the European parliament has been accused of being a racist during a debate on the Polish presidency of the EU in Strasbourg.

During the debate, Barry Madlener said the Netherlands 'does not want to pay for the upkeep of the Polish unemployed or Romanian beggars', according to Dutch media reports.
And there was this....
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PennBoy:
During the debate, Barry Madlener said the Netherlands 'does not want to pay for the upkeep of the Polish unemployed or Romanian beggars', according to Dutch media reports.

I'm wondering if the unemployed payed some unemployment insurance while they were working. If so, the Dutch are kind of obliged to provide them with some unemployment money. If not, he is right, Holland is under no obligation to pay for neither the beggars nor the unemployed.
PennBoyThreads: 157
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Joined: Dec 7, 08  Pictures: 2 ♂ 		 Jul 6, 11, 20:17    #23
I'm surprised Tusk just kept his head down and let him make a dummy out of him. Maybe wrong comparison but he did have a point the economic hardship and total lack or democracy and freedom during Soviet rule was much worse than this 'tragic situation' currently in the EU. And from what I remember Tusk is the one who wants to help Greece.
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PennBoy:
I'm surprised Tusk just kept his head down and let him make a dummy out of him

He didn't - he avoided the issue for very good reason. Tusk, in his speech for the start of the presidency made a huge impression - his political credibility has never been higher. It would have been a bad decision to get drawn into an argument with a member of some right wing fringe party.


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