Do you think Tusk will be forced to resign?

The way to avoid being another Greece is to: 1) live below your means (like Germany did) 2) enforce tax laws = collect all tax monies due. The Greeks are famous for thumbing their noses at tax laws. They've all scammed their way into bankruptcy!

Jaruzelski was certainly a strong leader.

As for Germany - given that Germany is a massive trading partner for Poland, there's always going to be some influence from that direction. It's no bad thing

Surely a bad geographical position makes it far more important to have good allies, in this case - the Germans

Stepping out of the EU would be an economic disaster for Poland. You'd have Poles suddenly required to obtain work permits again, which would mean the labour markets slamming shut for Poland.

I meant a strong leader who did good for Poland like Pilsudski or Sobieski.

They are not Poland's friends now nor they ever was, it's just an illusion.

You mean to tell me the Germans give Poland tens of billions of euros and don't expect nothing in return??

They contradict Poland's decisions and what it wants in the EU constantly, support Silesian autonomy.

Poles go to the west, educated Poles and work on building sites or pick vegetables, great deal.

The deal is for the British, German or Dutch employer who gets hard working laborers for less then what he'd pay a local. I haven't seen anything that Germany has done that wasn't 100% selfish.

Don't forget that Pilsudski was also a dictator.

An illusion? Am I dreaming when I drive across the German border without having to stop?

They expect access to a large trading market - they want Poland to get richer so they can afford more German products.

Nothing? So...let's see - we could start with the Polish-German border treaty of 1990, we could start by Germany forcing the other Schengen members to include Poland in the visa-free travel scheme in 1991/1992, we could see how Germany pushed constantly for Poland's accession to the EU when other countries were a bit "meh" about the prospect, we can see how Germany helped Poland comply with the Schengen technical stuff, we can see how Germany paid for much of the cross-Oder reconstruction (all those bridges were rebuilt with German cash), the list is endless.

He fought and ensured Poland's independence, in his eyes the post war government wasn't the right one so he removed it. Most Poles supported him.

Wow u didn't have to stop, truly something. Meanwhile German cops can cross Poland's borders, in the States, state police can't even go into an another state.

Lol now that sounds like German propaganda, you need to stop listening to Tusk and watching TVN.

For all those things you can find some 'wicked scheme'.

Maybe Germany wanted to look more humane in the eyes of the world, friendly, get past the murdering Nazi stereotype.

. Maybe Germany wanted to open the large Polish market to make money?

Wow u didn't have to stop, truly something.

Where on earth are you reading this? Poland and Germany tend to do things by consensus (and pretty much have done since 1989, except that brief two year period of madness

You can now do Poznan-Berlin in 2 hours - in 2003,

What two-year-period?

REALLY???........Nice.

ust because you don't agree with the Government - it doesn't give you the right to abuse the Constitution. There's enough evidence to suggest that he had routinely gone against the 1921 one - and no man is more important than the Constitution.

And listen to who - the paranoid underclass?

Really? I'd love to know what "wicked scheme" was behind the painful recognition that Germany had lost the territory to Poland forever.

Well - of course. Likewise, Poland wanted access to sell cheap Polish products, too.

Did you ever sit for 4-6 hours on the German/Czech/Slovak borders? Most Poles have, and they certainly don't want those days to return. You can now do Poznan-Berlin in 2 hours - in 2003, you were looking at it taking 6-7 hours. Big difference.

Of course it does. The nation is the people. So if Stalin felt like murdering millions of his people they should have just went along with it? or if Polish communists wanted to keep Poland communists, jail people and have them continue living in poverty, it should have stayed that way? revolutions start for a reason.

They're not paranoid they just don't believe that a German or whoever should have the same or similar rights as a Pole in Poland. TYhat's why we have different countries and different citizenships for.

That land was Polish before it was German. And for all the murders and destruction which they cause Poland in the second world war, that was a small price.

Not just cheap, Solaris buses and other machinery aren't exactly cheap.

Delph.. How many ordinary, or any kind of Poles living in lets say Warsaw, Bialystok, or Lublin will drive all the way to and past the Polish-German border in their lifetimes?? Maybe truck drivers. People fly those distances.

There are some excellent examples on the ground too, such as the cooperation between Zgorzelec and Gorlitz

Yep, it really has changed things here - I do daytrips to Berlin all the time now.

Do you think Tusk will be forced to resign?

That's nothing to do with defending the Constitution - the 1921 Constitution was democratically made, in accordance with the wishes of the people. The 1935 constitution, framed during Pilsudski's dictatorship wasn't. In legal theory, the 1935 constitution was very dodgy - you can't replace a democratic constitution with one formed during a dictatorship.

Why not? They have the same rights in Germany as Germans - just like you in America have the same rights irrespective of what state you're in. It works both ways - and everyone is better for it. You do realise that many of the people spouting "POLAND FOR THE POLISH" are the same ones who have many family members abroad benefiting from the EU freedom of movement principles?

How would you feel if you were deprived of basic rights in America just because you aren't American? You'd be like "this is bullshit", wouldn't you?

That's a communist myth. The whole "it was Polish" thing was deliberately designed to make people forget that it had been German for far longer than it had been Polish - again - Communist propoganda. You don't find it being taught nowadays.

Bialystok - they benefit from the Lithuanian border being wide open. Again - that border was infamous for long queues, and now it doesn't exist. I have an article somewhere that was saying how truck drivers would spend 2-3 days at a time waiting at the Lithuanian border - that time went down to nothing once Poland and Lithuania joined the EU.

And don't forget - there are millions of people living within 2 hours of the German border. There are hundreds of thousands who cross it every day - Schengen and the EU really changed things there. Likewise with the Czech and Slovak borders. Heck - even in somewhere like Gorlitz/Zgorzelec - you've now got Poles buying up all the property on the German side because it's cheaper than in Poland - and subsidised, too. That couldn't have happened in 2003 - too much trouble with the border.

most Poles have no need for open border crossings.

I've never heard a Pole say that open borders are anything but good.

I meant most Poles will not cross them, even once.

In reality a German will hire a German over a Pole hands down. Favoritism and judging always exists just below the surface.

electrician

skilled workers you'd think that the place was a worker's paradise.

'PO is losing ratings, yet another sign that the prime minister conducts politics his own, independent way. contrary to what the Poles want' Marek Kuchciński (PiS)

Funny how now Tusk says, he thought it through and ACTA isn't good for Poland. Aren't you supposed to think things through before you do them. He doesn't care what the people want, just scared of losing support.

I'd say it's the sign of a good Prime Minister if he's willing to listen to what the people want.

I'd say it's the sign of a good Prime Minister if he's willing to listen to what the people want.

Something like Polish interests is forbidden in Europe

and avoid destine of weak Czechoslovakia

especially the much poorer (at the time) Slovakia.

are you suggesting Slovakia is now the richer?

I wouldn't be shocked if Slovakia overtakes the Czech Republic sooner rather than later -

I wouldn't be shocked if Slovakia overtakes the Czech Republic sooner rather than later - I was in Prague last week, and compared to Poland and Slovakia, nothing is happening. No construction sites, no signs of wealth creation - nothing.

Czech's are being punished for not supporting the fiscal treaty.

Poland chickened out and took the money.

Poland, pay the money back and get the heck out of Euroland.

Germany is utterly ruthless, if you cross them they go for the jugular.