Grzegorz_: Dude is a slut of the worst kind. And he was invented by people standing behind tusk.
That's exactly why people voted for Ruch Palikota - because they knew that the same old tired nonsense would be spouted by the opposition. All these boring attacks on Palikot - do you guys really not see that he enjoys it?
JonnyM: Yes. Palikot is wise to take advantage of that situation, and if those figures were broken down further, I suspect we'd find that the core of his support are affluent and educated city-dwellers.
Palikot was also wise not to fall into the hysteria surrounding it, but to merely say "we think it's nonsense" without encouraging it. His restraint (unlike PiS, who were masturbating themselves senseless over the idea of people protesting and who immediately fell into the mistake of inciting people to riot) has worked - RP are now up to 17% in the opinion polls.
What's interesting about Palikot is that the electoral results show that RP were attracting people from rural areas too. Let's take some random examples - RP obtained mandates from electoral districts such as Piła, Krosno, Chełm, Białystok and even two from Lublin. Suprising as it sounds, they actually managed to take mandates from virtually every OKW - including in many places where the PSL and SLD failed.
Gustav: Palikot is the ultimate politician, entirely cynical and completely flexible to the prevailing conditions.
Would that be the same way that PiS said nothing about ACTA until people protested?
Gustav: He has intelligently collected voters on the margins- anti-church movement, gay rights activists, disaffected youth, narcotic users and so forth.
People with something to say for themselves, in other words. Incidentally, if they were "on the margins", why are they the third biggest party in the Sejm?
JonnyM: and that something exists that you describe as ''anything goes' neoliberalism' without actually saying what you mean.
Isn't that usual for right wing morons? They know what they're talking about, but they refuse to describe what they mean. Common with PiS voters - they know the truth, but they won't tell us what the truth is. Probably because we'd show it to be ridiculous nonsense ;)
teflcat: There may be something in that, although I believe Palikot's support comes from a range of Polish voters it will take political scientists (sic) years to unravel.
It certainly does. I've found that most of my friends stayed with PO (only one voted for Palikot that I know of - and that was because she never votes anyway, but was charmed by his message) - and these are all young people with a future. It may very well be that the youth of rural areas voted for Palikot too - which would be interesting.
teflcat: Leftist/anticlerical. wtf is that? You seem to be saying that only left-leaning Poles (and I mean Polish people living in Poland) are critical of the Catholic Church. Many Poles (and once again I mean Poles) are sick to death of certain members of the Catholic clergy involving themselves in politics, and many of them might be termed traditionalist or rightist.
Indeed - quite a lot of centre-right voters (on the more conservative side of PO) are thoroughly sick to death of the clergy intervening - because they see the harm that they're doing to themselves. I have one church goer under my very roof who is furious with the way that the church seems to be self-imploding in Poland (like elsewhere) - and she is especially furious with the blatant linking with politics.
teflcat: Palikot is not, has never been, and, franky, will never be, a main player.
Don't be so sure. If for some reason the PO/PSL coalition breaks up, then PO/RP are more likely than PO/SLD - especially as the only SLD members left are the old Communist dinosaurs. There's quite a few ex-PO guys within the RP ranks too - so they could make easy bedfellows.
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