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American soldiers beat up in Torun, Łódź


Foreigner4 12 | 1,768
14 Mar 2012 #31
Thinking that they were black is not outrageous.

No it is not, stating it as fact and jumping to conclusions based on 0 evidence is where boletus made his point.

There is absolutely no evidence that this attack was racially motivated, speculate until the cows come home if you wish, but until there is any actual EVIDENCE there is nothing to discuss.

...ah Hungarians, there really ought to be more of you in the world.
BBman - | 343
14 Mar 2012 #32
There is no mention of race but people are ****ed off with Americans in general. So no racial discrimination there then.

If there is no mention of race then why bring it up? Are you always looking to start a row online you troll? Are you that bored?

Btw, hardly anyone in Poland is "****ed off with americans." Maybe you were referring to the iraqis and afghans? It's the drunk and primitive british tourists that **** off the Poles more than anyone.
Harry
14 Mar 2012 #33
Harry, you were the one banging on about being black and white earlier in the thread.

No I was not. Please do not lie: it doesn't help the discussion at all.

I would. They are more Polish than those who would abandon their homeland for opportunistic reasons. They live and work in Poland, pay taxes, speak the language, make Poland a better place.

I would call them Poles too, which is why I wrote "with the obvious exception of the Vietnamese [Poles] in Warsaw".

Btw, hardly anyone in Poland is "****ed off with americans." Maybe you were referring to the iraqis and afghans?

I wasn't referring to anybody: I was quoting another poster. Would you care to apologise or are you happy to lie about what people say?

It's the drunk and primitive british tourists that **** off the Poles more than anyone.

In some cities you'd be 100% on the money there.

you troll?

You want to edit that or shall I report it? Your call. You are not a new member: you know better than to post insults here.
isthatu2 4 | 2,694
14 Mar 2012 #34
Oh come on... 1) Nobody said they were black. 2) There were two of them, and they are soldiers. A "target"?

Joshua and joseph...either Black or Jewish,either way,no surprises......
Harry
14 Mar 2012 #35
Joshua and joseph...either Black or Jewish

Know many Korean Jews do you?
Magdalena 3 | 1,837
14 Mar 2012 #36
Joshua and joseph...either Black or Jewish,either way,no surprises......

So now you are so far gone that you guess at people's origin and religion on the basis of their given names? Wow. Congrats, Sherlock. :->
grubas 12 | 1,384
14 Mar 2012 #37
Joshua and joseph...either Black or Jewish,

Neither name is typically a Jewish and sure s h i t not a Black name in the US,"genius".
Maaarysia
14 Mar 2012 #38
Two pages of discussion and no one actually bothered to read carefully the article under gazeta toruń link.
The soldier who was attacked first was Joseph L. not Joshua P. I don't know what race is Joseph L. but it clearly shows that the reason of attack was not the Korean roots or different race of Joshua P. Joshua P according to the article got involved in the brawl when both Joseph L. and one of the borthers Ż. were told to leave the club by the security.

Then Joshua P. took out his mobile phone to call for help but one of the bothers Ż. grabbed it and tried to run away. Joshua and Joseph kept after him but they fell down, then the brothers beat them up.
OP PennBoy 76 | 2,432
14 Mar 2012 #39
"Joshua P., który w poniedziałek stawił się w toruńskim sądzie, aby złożyć zeznania w tej sprawie, to wątły młodzieniec o koreańskich korzeniach."

One of the American soldiers had Korean roots. So yes that probably was it, he (maybe even his other army buddy also) didn't look white or local. But Harry in Poland it's verry easy to catch an ass whoopin. Um.... you're from a different neighborhood, you look at a girl another guy finds attractive, some idiot just feels like starting because he's having a bad day. These two are blokersi, young hooligan trash.
Harry
14 Mar 2012 #40
But Harry in Poland it's verry easy to catch an ass whoopin. Um.... you're from a different neighborhood, you look at a girl another guy finds attractive, some idiot just feels like starting because he's having a bad day.

Speaking from direct personal experience, it is a hell of a lot easier if you are not white.
Maaarysia
14 Mar 2012 #41
Joshua and Joseph kept after him

Should be "run after him" of course. "Keep after" doesn't mean to chase or follow someone, or does it?
modafinil - | 416
14 Mar 2012 #42
Theyere going to have to ignore the facts you present, Maaarysia, otherwise Harry will have to admit he's filled another thread with meandering rubbish.
OP PennBoy 76 | 2,432
14 Mar 2012 #43
The moral of the story is those American soldiers were in Poland as guests, invited there by the Polish government to help protect its sovereignty, you don't treat guests like that. Polish and American soldiers playing basketball together in Torun, much better scene.
pip 10 | 1,658
14 Mar 2012 #44
sorry- protect what?
ShortHairThug - | 1,101
14 Mar 2012 #45
Anyway, I was wrong with my guess that they were black. Big deal.

Yes it is, jumping to conclusions without knowing the facts, introducing the race issue where there is none, speculating and using using the word “Target” as if. They simply were being themselves, obnoxious, rude Yankee wimps, they got their arse whipped, proving once again that the shivery in Poland is still alive, even in the unlikely of places and among the lowest of the society, the Thugs.

PS. Yanks got their ass kicked because they deserved it, Big Deal!
pip 10 | 1,658
14 Mar 2012 #46
no, I based my question on the fact that I have been to a US army base- and noticing what the demographics actually was- not some random assumption. And didn't it turn out they were a different ethnicity?
Harry
14 Mar 2012 #47
introducing the race issue where there is none .... They simply were being themselves, obnoxious, rude Yankee wimps

How nice of you to post racist comments while claiming that there is no race issue.

the shivery in Poland is still alive,

I wonder if anybody other than you could consider stealing a cellphone, particularly from somebody who is trying to call an ambulance, to be chivalrous.
ShortHairThug - | 1,101
14 Mar 2012 #48
no, I based my question on the fact that I have been to a US army base- and noticing what the demographics actually was- not some random assumption

Demographics is not a factor neither is your one time experience at some army base, you’re still speculating.

And didn't it turn out they were a different ethnicity?

Not quite what you hoped for but you’re still making a big deal out of some bar fight that happens daily in US, simply because they are Yanks in Poland. As I’ve said Big Deal!

How nice of you to post racist comments while claiming that there is no race issue.

How is a national trait that defines moste Yanks a racist comment! Get over it.

I wonder if anybody other than you could consider stealing a cellphone, particularly from somebody who is trying to call an ambulance, to be chivalrous.

Was he? or was he calling reinforcements? It’s called preemptive strategy on their part something Yanks have invented and understand well.
Harry
14 Mar 2012 #49
How is a national trait that defines moste Yanks a racist comment! Get over it.

So in your opinion there would be nothing in the slightest bit objectionable with somebody claiming that Poles are anti-semitic morons? You'd be wrong if you did think that (even though some Poles most certainly are anti-semitic morons).

t’s called preemptive strategy on their part

So to you theft is both chivalrous and strategy. Not really a surprise, given your understanding of what the words mean.
pip 10 | 1,658
14 Mar 2012 #50
Demographics is not a factor neither is your one time experience at some army base, you’re still speculating.

fcuk- of course it is! I wondered if the soldiers were black based on my experience. There are a lot of blacks in the military- it is not racist to say that- and it is certainly not racist to think that a bunch of army guys got beat up based on their ethnicity. this is nothing shocking for Poland. It is not the worlds most tolerable country when it comes to ethnicity- particularly in smaller cities. I have seen racism in this country so give me a fcuking break.
pgtx 29 | 3,145
14 Mar 2012 #51
Keep it civil.
PlasticPole 7 | 2,648
14 Mar 2012 #52
Getting beat up just for looking at a woman? There must be more to it than that. The state department warns Americans to keep a low profile while out in public overseas. Of course, everyone could have been drunk, which would explain the whole thing. Just a typical, drunken bar fight. Everyone is lucky no one is seriously injured.
ShortHairThug - | 1,101
14 Mar 2012 #53
You'd be wrong if you did think that (even though some Poles most certainly are anti-semitic morons).

You seem to be doing just that all the time here on this forum yet when your wimps lose a fight you cry a river, it’s time for you to grow up.

So to you theft is both chivalrous and strategy.

As I stated earlier, it’s not a theft! They kept the head on their shoulder, deprived them of the means to call reinforcements not such a morons as you take them for after all now are they Harry? Despite their Young age and not having the advantage of the army training. Kudos to them.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,131
14 Mar 2012 #54
There must be more to it than that.

When it comes to the kind of people that fight outside clubs in Poland, certainly not.

You seem to be doing just that all the time here on this forum yet when your wimps lose a fight you cry a river, it’s time for you to grow up.

More abuse?

As I stated earlier, it’s not a theft!

Really?

I mean, please don't ever come back to Poland if you think that beating someone up and taking the phone is not "theft".

They kept the head on their shoulder, deprived them of the means to call reinforcements not such a morons as you take them for after all now are they Harry? Despite their Young age and not having the advantage of the army training. Kudos to them.

Kudos to them for stealing a mobile phone and being stupid enough to attack the very people who are partially there to protect you?

Yeah, that's so clever... I'm sure you'd be the first to cry "THEFT" if someone did the same to you.
ShortHairThug - | 1,101
14 Mar 2012 #55
Kudos to them for stealing a mobile phone and being stupid enough to attack the very people who are partially there to protect you?

Protect us from what? With what? Te atrapy w postaci rakiet? (które nawiasem mówiąc są w chuj nie przydatne).
ShortHairThug - | 1,101
14 Mar 2012 #57
The boys proved that they can take care of themselves LOL. The uniform does not scare anyone.
Harry
14 Mar 2012 #58
morons as you

You mean people who believe that theft is not chivalrous?

If all the Polish gentleman wanted to do was to prevent the American from calling for help, all he needed to do was to throw the phone into a bush or at a wall.

There must be more to it than that.

Not being white is more than enough reason for some people in that part of the world to attack somebody. I've seen it myself more than enough times.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,131
14 Mar 2012 #59
The boys proved that they can take care of themselves LOL. The uniform does not scare anyone.

Somehow, I think you misunderstood.

If all the Polish gentleman wanted to do was to prevent the American from calling for help, all he needed to do was to throw the phone into a bush or at a wall.

No no. The decent thing to do is to steal it!
ShortHairThug - | 1,101
14 Mar 2012 #60
I've seen it myself more than enough times.

Did you now? You must be very lucky, statistically speaking the odds of that are equal to that of winning the lottery.


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