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Don't let Poland become like my country, France.


Lodz_The_Boat 32 | 1,535
13 May 2011 #61
How do you expect assimilation of completely different cultures in such a society?

Students, skilled people, investors ... were these who got into Germany?

Some immigration/visa policies say "they need to have a "certain" amount in bank ... bla bla" ... and thats it. This is not the criteria which would ensure responsible and acceptable immigration. It should be genuine students (often not very rich, but very promising and integrate very fast), skilled workforce and investor (for skilled worker their employment and skill certificate etc ... for investor the investment proof).

As for those who are IN now, they need to deal with schools strategized to be in such a ratio the the children end up making friends and become close to the native people. The school should put those positive ideas into their mind, and construct their personalities.

Both must make an extra effort to come forward and help the new to integrate.

No other way out.
Seanus 15 | 19,674
13 May 2011 #62
A restaurant? Wow, that'll go down well when Ramadan comes round ;) ;) A cultural centre would be good to raise awareness but I don't think many Poles want to learn about such matters. Any screeching calls to prayer would be drowned out by the mohair berety brigade.
southern 74 | 7,074
13 May 2011 #63
They were moatly unskilled peasants from villages in Anatolia.What do you expect?You will get exactly the same kind in Poland.I see the pakis here they bring all these primitive mentalities let us not talk about the Albos.Why noone has a problem with Poles,Russians,Bulgarians?There are dozens of thousands of them as well but noone complains about them.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,739
13 May 2011 #64
I am for a free and moderate Europe

....then you must stop stoneage laws and customs! They have no place in a free and moderate society...Don't you get it!!!

Accommodating them undermines western way of life...slowly but surely...helped by our own useful idiots, these "I love you all-treehuggers" as yourself!

Have no doubt...your kind will be the first to be stoned after sharia law after they have took over! They have no patience for you as we do. No free speech, no freedom of religion, no tolerance at all...prepare yourself to a live as dhimmi or better start to learn the Koran so that you can convert in time!
wildrover 98 | 4,441
13 May 2011 #65
Plus, its none of your business.

It is when i have to read your spoutings on every thread on the forum....

This pretense that you love all the world and its people no matter what their colour is fine , i guess you have to say this in case your wife reads this forum , but do you really have to drag this peace , love and flowers into every thread where normal people with likes and dislikes have to read it....

Your religeon , whatever it is should be your personal thing , not something you try to vomit over everyone else...

How would you feel if in every thread i tried to convince everyone to be a biker and follow the biker lifestyle...?

Most of us do not follow your beliefs , and at times your mask of divine perfection slips and its revealed you don,t even follow your own beliefs....

Poland is not multi cultural , and it will be a long time before it is , thanks mainly to people like you , Polish people...

I am sure that having a Korean wife makes you wish very much that Poland was full of people of all colours , but its not , and won,t be in your lifetime...

If you brought your wife to the area where i live the locals would stare at her like she just got off a UfO , thats just the way it is in Poland , at least in the rural areas...

By the way , i have nothing against Buddists , i think they are great people who truly believe in what they are...but i do have a problem with people who just talk the talk , but don,t walk the walk...
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,739
13 May 2011 #66
at times your mask of divine perfection slips and its revealed you don,t even follow your own beliefs....

It's glaring...really...can't forget his "slavic union"...for Slavs only, how "world-loving!"
Lodz_The_Boat 32 | 1,535
13 May 2011 #67
This pretense that you love all the world and its people no matter what their colour is fine , i guess you have to say this in case your wife reads this forum , but do you really have to drag this peace , love and flowers into every thread where normal people with likes and dislikes have to read it....

I am here since this forum started. Wayyyy in the beginning before this nick name even ... I came again after a gap and made this one. I am here since Patty started ... and there were others who are now gone.

She may read this place, but its nothing about her.

not something you try to vomit over everyone else...

I never tried to put it on anyone else... its an open forum ... and I write freely. Thats all ... you have your views you pour here ... I do not accept and I give mine.

but its not , and won,t be in your lifetime...

nothing what is relevant to you ... very rambling matter ... I had such views from the beginning...

UfO

No I don't think we would be comfortable among your surroundings and atmosphere... it is about lifestyle and class.

As for your information ... we have a very good life with friends and family ... and so do my friends who chose to marry different race.

but i do have a problem with people who just talk the talk , but don,t walk the walk...

Your problem ... you live with it ... you don't need to know who talks and who walks... mind ur business.

can't forget his "slavic union"...for Slavs only, how "world-loving!"

Look Mr. BB ... that was nothing as you put it. This thread is not for that... if you want you can raise than topic from its grave and we will discuss it there again.
Seanus 15 | 19,674
13 May 2011 #68
Slavs don't tend to respond well to foreign elements on their soil. Just look at the Balkans or Russia as evidence of that. Some wrong moves and Poland could face the same.
OP registeredd 1 | 5
13 May 2011 #69
A racist thread preaching hatred, intolerance

Predictable.

This is the French version of women freedom

Right. And your source is a pro-muslim , anti-jew website . Talk about a neutral source. an article written by "Huma Dar". The reality ? Nothing has changed. they still wear their ******* burkas , the police pretends not to see them when they do because they don't want potential riots like in 2005 (most of these women wear these things where the population is 90% muslim) Sometimes cops don't even bother to go there. If and when they actually give these women a fine , it's only in places where they know all hell isn't gonna break loose. (where muslims are a minority). Like i said before , we already have parallel societies in france. (though i doubt it'll last forever without having to deal with a serious confrontation down the line)

It's like the deportation of romas by Sarkozy. The media made a fuss about it but it was bullshit...Bullshit because there's no borders anymore. The law is not respected. Thanks to the Schengen Area , as soon as they're deported they can come back without any problems. But it makes an impact in the media. it's a media-coup to convince people not to vote for the national front. Because the reality is that many of us are sick & tired of these immigration problems. To the point that many are predicting the far-right to have a big impact in the next elections. (even if they end up losing). The right is now adopting far-right propositions to convince voters for the next elections that's how bad things are in the country of "liberty, equality, fraternity".

By "French" I do not mean the people of that wonderful nation. The topic poster represents people of his kind and such people can be find in any country.

Of my kind uh ?....Don't worry i'm not contagious. The people of my kind hate seeing their country turn into a third world shithole.

As a Pole I am pro immigration of Genuine Students and Highly skilled workers who wish to integrate into the country and raise their children as Poles

In my country most of them are fake students , low skilled workers (when they actually work...because many are unemployed and live on social benefits) Our education is at an all time low. (thanks to their children , and their parents. Even though many have been living on french soil for decades they have yet to lear how to speak our language fluently , some can't even understand the language.) Thankfully , some of them are doing just fine. But it's hard to ignore the other part....the one which is apparently determined to have it their way , and for us to adapt to them in our own country.

We cannot be pushed back to a Facist, Nationalist, Extremist and Dark Medieval Europe. NOT POLAND

If your country eventually follows mine. You 'll eventually have sharia law. You're gonna love it. That's what is waiting for us non-muslims if nothing changes in the next decades or so.

I don't hate immigrants for the sake of hating them. I just don't want my people to become a minority in their own country. Is that too much to ask ?
Lodz_The_Boat 32 | 1,535
13 May 2011 #70
Slavs don't tend to respond well to foreign elements on their soil.

Only when they want to kill, dominate, constrain out freedom ... occupy us ... etc etc. Not when they come as a harmless friend, a mate, a business partner, an investor.

This kind of a generalization of the whole of Slavs is not intellectual. There are many variables to consider.
Seanus 15 | 19,674
13 May 2011 #71
Oh, I think Russia was pretty rough on Chechens but it was they that screwed up. There wasn't enough tolerance and too much nationalism/religious fervour in the Balkans.

Poland has a different dynamic but I can imagine many responding strongly here too.
southern 74 | 7,074
13 May 2011 #72
Russians and Serbs have developed special approaches to the muslim danger heavily influenced by the local tradition.I expect Poles will do the same.
The Czechs have a passive aggressive ambiguous attitude.It seems to me that they let them openly but they kick them under the table.
Lodz_The_Boat 32 | 1,535
13 May 2011 #73
I don't hate immigrants for the sake of hating them. I just don't want my people to become a minority in their own country. Is that too much to ask ?

If they become your own people, then you will not be a minority and neither will they be.

There are better, more sound ways to deal with things. You yourself say "fake students" ... and I must tell you that there are ways to resist it... starting with removing the "certain" amount of money in the bank policy. That works as the detractor.

France is dealing with its national issue very badly. Those are your people, French, so don't call them other names and deal with it in better, more sound manners. To go on detail would be possible, but I would've done that if it were amount immigrants in Poland.

I do love and respect the French, but you have to deal with this yourself ... and don't expect people to share hatred. Sharing love and positive images of France, and good practices ... would be wonderful.

I like France for many reasons ... and hatred or racism is not one of them.
wildrover 98 | 4,441
13 May 2011 #74
No I don't think we would be comfortable among your surroundings and atmosphere... it is about lifestyle and class.

Hey , my biker friends would not care if your wife was Black with purple stripes , they would either like her , and you , or not... We had a girl from Siri Lanka at our last zlot , she had no problems at all fitting in...

I was refering to the reception your wife would get from the local Polish villagers , they have probably never seen anyone who is not white , and from talking to them i suspect they don,t want to....
Seanus 15 | 19,674
13 May 2011 #75
People will resort to what they feel as necessary. I remember an interview with Arkan where he said that he didn't dislike Albanians as he grew up alongside many. However, politics changes many things and his hand was forced. If tolerance was pushed to the limits, Poles wouldn't think twice about bringing out GROM and their army.
Lodz_The_Boat 32 | 1,535
13 May 2011 #76
and from talking to them i suspect they don,t want to....

Its a stance everyone of the older folks have ... before they face someone. It is nothing extra ordinary. I can only say that this do not bug anyone ... such feelings are like oxide on aluminum ... they move away in a shower or wipe. Poles have big hearts ... I know and live it.

If tolerance was pushed to the limits, Poles wouldn't think twice about bringing out GROM and their army.

The world has changed. It is not medieval. Tolerance must work hand in hand with proper strategy and their implementation. Force and bullets are not the tools you deal with your home or civil matters.

There are other much better ideas ...
statu_quo
13 May 2011 #77
hello dear frenchman , let me at first tell you this; when french came to north africa and africa to steal, kill, torture and masscare people in these countries during more than centuries , did your ancetres think about it? when the majority of your doctors in france are from north africa, workers in car's firms and buildings since 70years , did you think about it? when even your best players of football and sport are from algeria and africa, did you think about it? and when all this immigration make france working since 70 years, did you think about it? if there is problemes with your "people " because you put them in some "ghetto" , its the fault of your country, dont be surprised about that , action-reaction man , without immigrates, france falls and you know it, this is what you can't accept kind of "ingrat" . nassim , algerian and proud . vive l'algerie et viva polska free from opportuniste as french .
Havok 10 | 903
13 May 2011 #78
I don't know if i'll get banned for this.

You probably won’t get banned for this, so I wouldn’t worry about it. I've seen crazier posts on PF.
Now, see this is what you get for trying to be like US with your ridiculously silly social system and laws. None of them were ever designed in mind to handle the immigration and immigrants from all over the world. I suggest another French revolution or just basically STFU about it and move somewhere else. You’re supposedly a democratic country, right? Well in that case you got what you asked for.
wildrover 98 | 4,441
13 May 2011 #79
Poles have big hearts ... I know and live it.

So do i.... i can,t disagree with you on that...

I did not live in Poland for five years just for the weather....
southern 74 | 7,074
13 May 2011 #80
What big hearts have the Poles you repeat again and again?When my Polka was recently jailed for debts her girlfriends did not give her a penny.She had shared her house with them for a year.Only I helped her because she was slavic her polish friends did not give a toss so much for polish solidarity and big heart.
Havok 10 | 903
13 May 2011 #81
Yes, Polish have big xenophobic harts

When my Polka was recently jailed for debts

Geez, who do you hang out with? lol
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,739
13 May 2011 #82
If they become your own people, then you will not be a minority and neither will they be.

They don't want to become "our" people, they want to stay their own people and change our ways...that's the short of the problem.

They for sure won't raise their kids as Poles...as you so kindly assume!
Lodz_The_Boat 32 | 1,535
13 May 2011 #83
They for sure won't raise their kids as Poles...as you so kindly assume!

I think they do. I know couple who do ... and I posted a pic or two too (and later removed it with the help of moderators).

Nice it all looks, cute children.

It depends who you are talking about ... I mostly am acquainted with students and skilled/educated people.

Both the parties need to come forward to allow/let/induce them to integrate once they are members of your country. It is in benefit of both. Only they cannot move forward ... you must too.

Another thing ... the schools. This is vital.
small fry
13 May 2011 #84
Only I helped her because she was slavic

I helped a Greek today, a favor, asked nothing in return, consider it a favor returned. So the Greeks have more than big noses and your action proved it :). There’s a Slavic soul there somewhere.
southern 74 | 7,074
13 May 2011 #85
She forgot to pay some taxes some years ago and police found out after they got her in the street for identification.She told me greek prison is horrible.She stayed there or one week with some georgian and bulgarian women and a junkie.
Havok 10 | 903
13 May 2011 #86
They don't want to become "our" people,

I kind of disagree, i think you should let the people be who they want to be
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,739
13 May 2011 #87
In Germany we tried that for 40 years....in France the blacks and muslims still prefer their own...where do you think the tensions come from. Because all happily integrated and assimilated?

And don't say it's us who are to blame....the countries where they come from are not for nothing shitholes they want to flee from!

They love to live here, all the freedom our western societies provides, but do they want to become like us??? Nooooo, of course not!
small fry
13 May 2011 #88
It’s seems to be a trend to forget to pay your taxes while in Greece, when in Rome….. do you guys have enough prisons to hold them all? ;)
Havok 10 | 903
13 May 2011 #89
In Germany we tried that for 40 years....in France the blacks and muslims still prefer their own...where do you think the tensions come from. Because all happily integrated and assimilated?

No one is expecting people here to assimilate, so i guess that's why what you're saying seems strange to me. For the most part everyone does whatever the fock they want and no one gives a ****. There is no pressure for being different.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,739
13 May 2011 #90
No one is expecting people here to assimilate,

Erm...remind me please about the oath every school kid has to swear in your country..DAILY!
Remind me again about the oath every immigrant has to make when he wants to become a citizen of the US.

You've got to be kidding....your identity is an artificial one, rallying around your flag and an oath of your constitution...you can't compare that to the millennia old grown european cultural identities!

I don't expect foreigners to assimilate honestly...seeing a Mohammed or Aishe declaring himself as "German" gives me the creeps, really.
They can stay as proud of their heritage as am I of mine...totally acceptable and probably more healthy that way.

But when they decide to live in MY country they should live after MY rules and customs...no extras or accommodations...they don't like it? There is the door ----->

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