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People says that EU bringing many nice things to Poland. Tell me about it


SeanBM 35 | 5,806
7 Nov 2010 #61
The new wave of polish migration after EU enlargement

I think this has had a positive effect in several ways. They send billions of Euro back to Poland, I remember it made up a % of Poland's GDP. The unemployment rate went down in Poland because about 2 million people emigrated. Wages had to increase in Poland to keep the people from leaving. Work and experience that emigrants possibly would not have got if they'd have stayed. And then just the general freedom to travel and experience other countries. EU bringing many nice things to Poland >>>

Entrepreneurs conducted 14,500 subsidized projects with the total value of PLN 16.6 billion (EUR 4.7 billion).

Poland will receive 67,28 billion Euro from European Union for the years 2007-2013

The Polish tourism sector was funded with nearly 231 mln euro from the European subsidies.

European Funds

The two greatest things about the E.U. are the freedom to travel and the investment such as in improving infrastructure.

Man, for the 1.000th time. I am German and I criticize my country where I think it's necessary.

Have you criticized Serbia where necessary? ;)
sobieski 106 | 2,118
7 Nov 2010 #62
What the EU brought to Poland? Count the thousands of yellow billboards announcing investement in infrastructure anywhere in this country. And on basically every one of them you see "financed by the EU".
SeanBM 35 | 5,806
7 Nov 2010 #63
It was one of the first things I noticed in Ireland and Ireland is obviously an island, so although it helped the ramifications for good infrastructure in the centre of Europe (I am speaking about Poland now) will be felt for generations.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,831
7 Nov 2010 #64
Have you criticized Serbia where necessary? ;)

He won't...you know...."My country right or wrong!"...
sascha 1 | 824
7 Nov 2010 #65
Have you criticized Serbia where necessary? ;)

@SeanBM:
I am aware that Serbia is far from perfect, but of you here on PF are stubbornly following the cliche and the 'official truth' about Serbia.

I am introducing a different approach to the topic and counterweight to your narrow perspective.

He won't...you know...."My country right or wrong!"...

@BB:
That's the way authoritarian types like you think: 'Always defend your country.' No critics allowed.
Theodor W. Adorno was explaining by that the phenomenon of acceptance of fascism in Germany.
Imagine now 1939. You know on which side you would be. I myself would be definitely in exile.

Maybe that what I wrote is beyond your comprehension, but try.
SeanBM 35 | 5,806
7 Nov 2010 #66
@SeanBM:
I am aware that Serbia is far from perfect, but of you here on PF are stubbornly following the cliche and the 'official truth' about Serbia.
I am introducing a different approach to the topic and counterweight to your narrow perspective.

So that's a 'NO' then :)
dtaylor5632 18 | 2,004
7 Nov 2010 #67
I am introducing a different approach to the topic and counterweight to your narrow perspective.

No you're not, most Serbians agreed with the governments policies of ethnic cleansing, in fact they not only agreed, but carried out the policies with such a determination that it shocked the world...
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,831
7 Nov 2010 #68
That's the way authoritarian types like you think: 'Always defend your country.' No critics allowed.

As you show so nice about your country Serbia...
OP Crow 155 | 9,025
7 Nov 2010 #69
countries of so called West faces lack of resources, in any sense. Being EU member, Poland agrees that all problems of so called west (EU) have to be Polish problems, too. In other words it means, taking from Polish children to satisfy children of EU leading countries, plus- children of other EU counties and plus- children of EU sponsored countries.

so, EU bringing many nice things to Poland >>>

Water: The Forgotten Crisis

ScienceDaily (July 14, 2008) - This year, the world and, in particular, developing countries and the poor have been hit by both food and energy crises. As a consequence, prices for many staple foods have risen by up to 100%. When we examine the causes of the food crisis, a growing population, changes in trade patterns, urbanization, dietary changes, biofuel production, and climate change and regional droughts are all responsible. Thus we have a classic increase in prices due to high demand and low supply.

The causes of water scarcity are essentially identical to those of the food crisis. There are serious and extremely worrying factors that indicate water supplies are steadily being used up. Essentially every calorie of food requires a liter of water to produce it.

No you're not, most Serbians agreed with the governments policies of ethnic cleansing, in fact they not only agreed, but carried out the policies with such a determination that it shocked the world...

you are completely brainwashed by EU and NATO oriented media. But its not that bad. You are just mental victim of those conglomerates while they didn`t torture you physically. They are capable to send mujaheedines on you or to use depleted uranium
sascha 1 | 824
7 Nov 2010 #70
No you're not, most Serbians agreed with the governments policies of ethnic cleansing, in fact they not only agreed, but carried out the policies with such a determination that it shocked the world...

dt, your full of sh1t. Your comments are just like playback of the well spread stereotypes.
Educate yourself and then come back here. If you do not have anything new or interesting to say about the topic hence lack of knowledge, better enjoy a beer or sth.

Just an example: Germans agreed with the politics of A. Hitler and policies of ethnic and racial cleansing, 'besides' the war. They even in fact not only agreed but actively carried out the policies with such a determination that shocked the world...

How does that sound to you?

So that's a 'NO' then :)

I saw you read my post but did not actually understand it. Try again, but for your simple mind:
Of course I criticize Serbia(politics, whatever) where it is necessary.
dtaylor5632 18 | 2,004
7 Nov 2010 #71
dt, your full of sh1t. Your comments are just like playback of the well spread stereotypes.

Yeah, just bs, my comments come from people who served in Serbia and had to watch as Serbs entered villages knowing full well they would not encounter resistance if they murdered a few families.

politics of A. Hitler

Oh god, you have just used the Hitler argument against me. Do you know what is commonly known as the "hitler argument"? When you have no other choice but to back your arguments up with .... what would Hitler do....
SeanBM 35 | 5,806
7 Nov 2010 #72
countries of so called West faces lack of resources, in any sense. Being EU member, Poland agrees that all problems of so called west (EU) have to be Polish problems, too. In other words it means, taking from Polish children to satisfy children of EU leading countries, plus- children of other EU counties and plus- children of EU sponsored countries.

Emmm... You might have had a point if you were talking about Germany bailing out the Greeks or something a bit more sane but saying that the E.U. wants water from Poland because it is scarce in the desert is insane.

Water: The Forgotten Crisis

Making up scare tactics is not your forte, Poland wasn't even mentioned in that article.

Might as well talk about the melting icecaps and how it is the E.U.'s fault and how they need Polish cold winters to resupply it...

you are completely brainwashed by EU and NATO oriented media.

This is what this thread is about really, a crazy Serb that hates the E.U. and wants a "Slavic nation". And instead of debating the overwhelming good that the E.U. has and is doing for Poland you come up with an equatorial water shortage.

Of course I criticize Serbia(politics, whatever) where it is necessary.

I missed that, where have you done this?
sascha 1 | 824
7 Nov 2010 #73
Yeah, just bs, my comments come from people who served in Serbia and had to watch as Serbs entered villages knowing full well they would not encounter resistance if they murdered a few families.

Is that not also happening in the wars your country is leading? Iraq? Afghanistan? No civilian casualties there? Even friendly fire?
Did you have the chance to go to wikileak?

Oh god, you have just used the Hitler argument against me. Do you know what is commonly known as the "hitler argument"? When you have no other choice but to back your arguments up with .... what would Hitler do....

Your argument is blistering, as usual.

As you show so nice about your country Serbia...

I knew that merging 1989 was a bad idea. Once Ossi, always Ossi.
SeanBM 35 | 5,806
7 Nov 2010 #74
Perhaps the title of the thread should be changed to "The E.U. is bad for Poland, a Slavic Union would be much better." (we wouldn't want their water, wellll unless we were thirsty).

Of course I criticize Serbia(politics, whatever) where it is necessary.

I still don't see any criticism of Serbia whatsoever from you, you are still criticising the E.U. and Germany in particular.
Perhaps you could point out a post of yours where you criticise Serbia?
OP Crow 155 | 9,025
7 Nov 2010 #75
This is what this thread is about really, a crazy Serb that hates the E.U. and wants a "Slavic nation".

this is how you portrait things? this is your contribution to this forum and to Poland? do you love Poland?

Anyway, before we continue, let it be clear... i am all for sustainable life in balance with nature but,... countries and civilizations have to behave according to their real situation. Real situation within Slavic civilization is that governments in Slavic countries controls approximately 1/5 of total land masses on the Earth altogether with enormous resources and water potentials. Therefore, Pan-Slavic organizations suggests minimum four children per family in every Slavic country. Meaning, resources of entire Slavic civilizations could manage to sustainable support such a demographic growth of Slavs accompanied by technological development and economic progress. But, problems is that most of Slavic countries aren`t independent but their development depend on necessities and problems of those who controls Slavic countries.

E.U. wants water from Poland

when you mentioned... seams that EU worry for water consumption in Poland...

EU bringing many nice things to Poland >>>

Future EU water blueprint to focus on savings
Published: 18 October 2010 | Updated: 19 October 2010
euractiv.com/en/specialweek-waterpolicy/future-eu-water-blueprint-focus-savings-news-498859

The EU executive is also mulling a specific study on water management in the post-2013 Common Agricultural Policy (CAP), and plans to address water pricing in agriculture at a special conference in Poland in 2011.

to conclude, EU bringing many nice things to Poland >>>

EU does not suggests minimum four children per Polish family but EU suggests savings. In other words it means that EU wants Polish water
SeanBM 35 | 5,806
7 Nov 2010 #76
Like I said:

This is what this thread is about really, a crazy Serb that hates the E.U. and wants a "Slavic nation".

The EU executive is also mulling a specific study on water management in the post-2013 Common Agricultural Policy (CAP), and plans to address water pricing in agriculture at a special conference in Poland in 2011.

They are having the conference in Poland not only about Poland.

EU does not suggests minimum four children per Polish family but EU suggests savings. In other words it means that EU wants Polish water

Making up stuff will never make it real Crow.

Isn't all of this off topic? People are going to read this thinking it's about Poland only to find out it isn't and well that might suck.
sascha 1 | 824
7 Nov 2010 #77
I still don't see any criticism of Serbia whatsoever from you, you are still criticising the E.U. and Germany in particular.
Perhaps you could point out a post of yours where you criticise Serbia?

Quoting myself:

I am aware that Serbia is far from perfect, but of you here on PF are stubbornly following the cliche and the 'official truth' about Serbia.
I am introducing a different approach to the topic and counterweight to your narrow perspective.

F.e.: I don't agree to the actual politics that much, but since the EU, US&A etc. brought Serbia that much on the knees, they do not have a choice. Resistance is sometimes not too bad.

If this was not an answer enough for your simple brain. O.K..

Since you and 99 % of your bunch here are constantly criticizing Serbia, it is for me not necessary to join. Since most of topics related to Serbia from your side other than the war and Serbian 'crimes' in the 90's is not coming up.

I'm trying to see the whole picture whereas you just repeat what the media says. Our position is different from the beginning.
OP Crow 155 | 9,025
7 Nov 2010 #78
Like I said:

while i forgot to mention that you are the one who is crazy

They are having the conference in Poland not only about Poland.

yes. EU leading countries wants control of water in many countries, not only in Poland

Making up stuff will never make it real Crow.

Making up nonsensical comments will never make that truth disappear SeanBM
SeanBM 35 | 5,806
7 Nov 2010 #79
Since you and 99 % of your bunch here are constantly criticizing Serbia, it is for me not necessary to join. Since most of topics related to Serbia from your side other than the war and Serbian 'crimes' in the 90's is not coming up.

Please show me where I criticised Serbia? Crow maybe but not Serbia.
You don't know what you are talking about.

I'm trying to see the whole picture

That'd be your whole one-sided Serbian has done nothing wrong, I will criticise the E.U. and the U.S. but not my beloved Serbia, even though I say I am a "German" picture?

while i forgot to mention that you are the one who is crazy

Ah, okay, I thought it was you but now I see ;p

E.U. bad for Poland, Poland must be part of Slavic Union (again)... 4 children plenty of water...
OP Crow 155 | 9,025
7 Nov 2010 #80
Ah, okay, I thought it was you but now I see ;p

no, no, never mind. i actually rather likes to think of myself as crazy. Its compliment in today`s world

i am sure that you aren`t crazy.

E.U. bad for Poland, Poland must be part of Slavic Union (again)... 4 children plenty of water...

what to tell you.... EU bringing many nice things to Poland.
SeanBM 35 | 5,806
7 Nov 2010 #81
i am sure that you aren`t crazy.

Do I get a certificate?
OP Crow 155 | 9,025
7 Nov 2010 #82
why?

its now publicly concluded.
sascha 1 | 824
7 Nov 2010 #83
You don't know what you are talking about.

Are you?
Since you do not have a fu**ink clue about Serbia, better stay out of that topic.

That'd be your whole one-sided Serbian has done nothing wrong, I will criticise the E.U. and the U.S. but not my beloved Serbia, even though I say I am a "German" picture?

Your brain has already 'memory overflow'?
I know the wrong things Serbs did during the war, but unfortunately my information are different, more objective, than yours.

I will criticise the E.U. and the U.S.

You don't? You just nod your head? Wake up, man.
SeanBM 35 | 5,806
7 Nov 2010 #84
Are you?
Since you do not have a fu**ink clue about Serbia, better stay out of that topic.

Just show me where I critisised Serbia?
BTW, neither the topic nor the forum are about Serbia.

I know the wrong things Serbs did during the war, but unfortunately my information are different, more objective, than yours.

A) you have yet to show any criticism of Serbia and B) show any of my information about Serbia being subjective.

You don't? You just nod your head? Wake up, man.

Where are you from? Not where do you live but where are you from?
OP Crow 155 | 9,025
7 Nov 2010 #85
EU bringing many nice things to Poland >>>

Poland: Mosque, Paediatrician and Radical Islamists
Rzeczpospolita.pl 8 June 2010
By Agnieszka Rybak & Aleksandra Rybilska

europenews.dk/en/node/32733

Samir Ismail does not hide the fact that the Muslim League is a member of FIOE. Currently, FIOE which presents itself as an independent organisation defending the interests of Muslims forms a federation of 28 member organisations from EU and Turkey. Moldavia, Ukraine and Russia. It has its headquarters in Brussels in order to lobby the institutions of the union.

According to the report, issued in 2008, of American Foundation NEFA, established after 9/11 in order to fight against Islamic terrorism, FIOE is "a cover-up" which "unites the members of Muslim Brotherhood in Europe."

we again see how EU bringing many nice things to Poland >>>

Biggest mosque in Poland to be built in Warsaw
25.02.2010 14:33
thenews.pl/national/?id=126355

The Muslim League in Poland is building a modern, three-story mosque near the centre of Warsaw.

The construction of the mosque will be mainly financed by a Saudi investor but the League does not want to reveal who it is or what the cost of the investment will be.

MediaWatch 10 | 945
7 Nov 2010 #86
You're funny Crow.

I think its good this forum has people who have many points of view including having people with Pro-Serbian/Slavic viewpoints.

As you probably know, the past Polish president Kaczynski was sympathetic towards Serbia. I think that's interesting.
sascha 1 | 824
7 Nov 2010 #87
Where are you from? Not where do you live but where are you from?

DEUTSCHLAND.

Just show me where I critisised Serbia?

You are then belonging to the 1%. Lucky you.

A) you have yet to show any criticism of Serbia and B) show any of my information about Serbia being subjective.

1. For YOU I don't have to prove anything related Serbia, but if you want my opinion/standpoint/critics, I can help you.

In my opinion the politicians in Serbia should try to be more resistant to the EU/US&A, but since they are without power, it is hopeless. It would have been better to balance the politics more, like in YU times. Cooperation with US and Russia by maintaining its position.

2. Most of the info here on PF about Serbia is biased. Fact.
OP Crow 155 | 9,025
7 Nov 2010 #88
I think its good this forum has people who have many points of view including having people with Pro-Serbian/Slavic viewpoints.

Thank you

As you probably know, the past Polish president Kaczynski was sympathetic towards Serbia. I think that's interesting.

Kaczynski was wise politician, Polish patriot, aware of EU, NATO reality and also aware of specific Polish role within the Slavic civilization. But, it didn`t saved him. Hand of death was faster then his progressive ideas. He wanted batter Polish-Russian relations, he wanted to support Serbs but, he suddenly died. What a loss for all of us. What a great loss

RIP Mr. Kaczynski

that reminds me,... EU bringing many nice things to Poland >>>

Europe seeks to block Polish gas contract

Poland Gas

flarenetwork.org/learn/europe/article/europe_seeks_to_block _polish_gas_contract.htm

The European Commission has stepped up efforts to prevent the Russian energy giant Gazprom from reaching an accord with Poland that would lock the country into long-term natural gas contracts, hindering diversification of Poland's, and Europe's, energy sources and making Warsaw more dependent on Russia for its gas.

mephias 10 | 296
7 Nov 2010 #89
Perhaps the title of the thread should be changed to "The E.U. is bad for Poland, a Slavic Union would be much better." (we wouldn't want their water, wellll unless we were thirsty).

This is the main idea when Crow start the thread. You must be open minded and believe whatever they say without thinking :). So it will never be accepted or taken seriously or discussed by thread starter if you say anything positive about EU. He will wait and collect some nonsense from his older posts and will post them again for his desperate propaganda.

Poles are not free what a BS. It is surprising to see same mindset same claims from ultranationalists of different nations.
Natasa 1 | 580
7 Nov 2010 #90
U.S. but not my beloved Serbia, even though I say I am a "German" picture?

You are humiliating Serbs (including me now) when you are assuming that any of us is declaring himself/herself as a German.

That is possible only in fantasy world. Germans are people who historically behaved most consistently as a Serbian enemy, I think almost without any exception.

They are responsible for more than a million of Serbian deaths. Vice versa not.

Think again. It looks like the simplest solution, but it's unfortunately completely illogical.

Serbian nationalist /patriot is proud to be a Serb, so he will NEVER ever say that he is a German. Nothing can justify that.

So, think again.

Serbs hate Germans, we even have a saying....." He/She hates him like he is a German"....of course since we had a "democratic revolution" in 2000. you can rarely hear it.

Do I get a certificate?

I'm sure you can easily get one.
You are obviously very well adapted or conformed to your surrounding, so why not?


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