Poles are getting rich...

Probably, they won't actually pay. It'll be the ex-nomeklatura that will be punished - the ones who had a reasonable career during Communism and are now sitting on decent pensions.

Farmers on the other hand...the sooner KRUS is abolished, the better.

Just because your house is more expensive doesn't mean you're wealthier. It probably means the exact opposite. I mean, the more you have to pay for your house, the less money you'll have left to spend on the finer things in life.


You should probably check minimum wage if you wish to scare yourself.

;)

yup the gap between the haves and have nots keeps on growing.
The title should be "Some' Poles are getting rich.

There can be no answer when we are still chasing the question...

I'm keenly aware of what minimum wage is. Digging ditches and pulling compressors and condenser coils out of refrigerators and heat pumps paid exactly minimum wage. Hey, so did slinging tacos.

Nope, pretty happy not having to do that. Just like all those Poles that have figured out that with a bit of effort and forward thinking, you can make a lot of money.

Yup. I'm going to make 7000 € a month within 5 years from now. (That will undo the damage I think!)

:)

that's not unreasonable. on the low end of a CCIE....

Starting salary.

;)

So why is it accepted in America? When will people realize that we are half way there?

You're overdoing it, trust me. You guys aren't even half as social as Holland is, not even if Obama totally had his way with America. Oh, and the first person who's actually going to call Holland a Communist country is going to get skull-f*cked for the rest of his or her miserable existence on PF. You guys really are obsessed with non-existent Communists, and it's starting to sound really pathetic and whiney, believe you me.

:)

and it will not happen, hopefully. I don't know about Holland being communist, but any country which expects the government to take care of its people and control them is getting Marxist.

It's not accepted in America. Unfortunately, in the name of Free market ideology, we unloaded our manufacturing jobs to China, our service jobs to India and on top of this we allowed in tons of illegal mexicans solely to lower our standard of living. In time it'll change but in the meantime we need Government spending to keep people in their homes and off the street. Money has to circulate or you get a depression.

It's just a different way of paying taxes, but in this case, it has to do something with healthcare, which has to deal with patients (meaning people.) so there are a couple of forms involved. So what?

Just tell me..

*takes a deep breath while trying to surpress the urge to throw his computer out of the window*

Do.. You.. Guys.. Have.. A.. Communist.. Party.. In.. Your.. Government.. ? (Question mark: This means it's a question, which you can actually answer.)

Actually, don't answer this question, because I already know the f*cking answer!!

>:|

Pfffffffffffft..


You're now officially the smartest person in this thread. Congratulations!

:)

it's not working. Google foreclosed homes in your town. I did.
Anyway, taking jobs abroad, allowing illegal immigrant work for less lowers the amount of jobs available and the pay for everybody, thus lowers the standard of living.There is nothing more controlling than the fear of losing a job.

True, but I've been through one of these before (mid '70s). And my parents been through the Great Depression.

Interest rates are now at about zero. Now's the time to spend government money on infrastructure projects. Not when interest rates are 10% or 15%. Don't believe the deficit blather. It matters...in the long run. Time is on our side.

In some places they are exactly 0%.
Just the other day I received loan offers from two of my banks, 0% for 12 months, no administrative fees of any kind. I'd be silly not to go for it. Even at 3.5 measly percent that some of my accounts pay, it's easy money.

I imagine the banks' hope is that some payers will default on the payments (too late, below minimum monthly payment etc) at which point they are hit with a substantial interest.

Yeah, the infrastructure projects are fine although a hassle to drive around! But, you see even though the interest rates are low people are losing homes and a very few are buying! Why? Job insecurity. It is a great time for people who have a few dollars or a secure job (is there such thing now?).

You mean unemployment.

;)

well, yes - unemployment when it comes to people out of work already, but the ones who still work and don't know how soon they are going to join the 'crowd'.

One of the reasons I heard about are the irregularities that took place during the repo process by some banks. It's just to dicey to buy a house that might be later claimed by prior owners. Canadians haven't been hit as hard as Americans so there are plenty of those willing to buy across the border, but there are also plenty of warnings to first make sure you buy what will remain yours.


Yup. There sure are secure jobs :)

Yes, I agree the housing crisis is due to lack of jobs. If we didn't have a knucklehead for a President he'd authorize infrastructure projects, rebuilding roads and bridges and rail lines. Those infrastructure projects would provide jobs to keep people in their homes and they would spend money which would create more jobs. But we have the knucklehead Democrats who want to get us out of our cars and into high speed trains and the knucklehead Republicans who want to restrict spending (not at a time like this).

Oh, don't worry too much. If you haven't been fired already, and you still have a job, then you will most likely keep your job.

:)

Due to multiple mergers, some banks had difficulties to locate original mortgage documentation...it created a mess for potential buyers.


you're not in banking or finance. Are you? :)

That wouldn't solve the problem. In fact, it would require even more loans.

IMO, two major things need to change in the US:

- trim import from China and shift towards production at home
- refuse to buy anything from China until they stop keeping their currency artificially low
- abolish the Federal Reserve (hanging its senior administrators on lamp posts would be nice, but not necessary from the purely economic angle)

The first two would be probably the best stimulus package possible.
The third one would wipe out the debt on money the banks never had but claimed they loaned them to the government


Not at all.
Just a lowly bureaucrat ;)

That's right, you should keep it a secret if you wish to live.

xD

Unfortunately the one before and now fit into the category and it is what it is but I believe that we'll survive. It is just a hard lesson to learn to many people and totally not necessary.

Poles in Poland grabbed their opportunities and some got rich... many people here are getting rich as we speak too. Crisis or not there is always opportunity for many.

@ zero percent, doesn't matter. It's free money.


At the present time companies are sitting on trillions. They won't change until they change how they think. That will take a bit of time.


Yeah, in the stock market. Buy Ford.

True, but it's like putting a dollar bill from the left pocked to the right pocket and pretending there is income. That money would still have to be paid, unless my proposal in regards to the Fed was implemented.


They had enough time to change and they did - they became more greedy. So time won't do much. Very serious social disobedience might, kinda like the March on Washington.

yeah, everybody wants that but they don't realze that the hammer at Sears would cost them $14.99 instead of $1.99...


risk to get mad and call all the loans back or allow them all to move in instead? lol.


Wild West style solution, huh? We would need to order some extra rope from China, y'know.


True. That 'Fix or repair daily" cars went a long way.

That's how it was in 1950's, 60' and early 1970'. America seemed to have been on top then. Those low prices are not working too well for Americans. Wages stagnated since 1970's and the middle class has been decimated.


Give them what they borrowed - papers with pretty pictures.


I'm not sure I'd call the March on Washington "Wild West". Would you?
I'd say what big corporations have been doing for the last 100+ years doing is in fact Wild West.