OK, how bad is the economic situation in Poland?

all I was saying is that sort of money is nothing to write home about..I'ts better than nothing I suppose.

Poland has very little lamb, veal or beef.

Where do you have this information from??????

So instead of working 2 years in the UK and then returning to Poland with 10k or more sterling it would of course be better if they spent 2 years unemployed and earning nothing?You might think that Lef but nobody else does.

exactly in krakow or Warsaw 10k is not much but if someone os from small town he can probbaly buy small flat for this money ar built small house. it is lots. if it is young couple they can start life without mnortgage

Nothing better than kangaroo meat.

I agree with Wujek (#12), some people just don't follow the new realia. They still expect the government to give them jobs, flats, social support ect. The grew up in sick comunist reality and were taught helplesness. Those are the ones who are poor, unemployed, pessimistic and with unrealistic expectations from the authorities.

Most young and many middle-aged people, however, have changed this old way of thinking for a much better, individual approach. They study, get additional qualifications, change jobs for better, look for new ways of improving their lives.

As time passes, the first group shrinks and the second grows. Those who are fine in Poland, stay, some take a chance and emigrate. All in all, things are improving.

2 sorts of English people move abroad.

1.Retired people.They like England and have worked all their lives but they do not want to spend every January-May shivering indoors worrying about the heating bills,so they go to Spain,Australia for the sun and cheaper costs(especially if they sell their UK house they will have plenty of money)

2.Whinging Poms.You know these people-they have a good life-even easy life but they are always complaining and see USA etc on TV and think everything is better there.I know a
couple without children here in the UK with a joint income of £100,000,nice house,many holidays etc but they always complain about taxes,quality of life etc.They want to go to USA etc and I tell them to try it.The problem in Britain is many people are spoilt and expect too much (materially) from life.

truebit,

I agree let's be honest averyone likes money and comfortable life but yes English are very materialistic and comfortable - I have impression more young generation. They want everything, nice cars, holidays abroad, house....
But unfortunately not everyone can afford it but of cource can afford lots credit cards and debts. I don't understand it . When I was to buy my first flat( with big help of my parents) in Poland I didn't go for bigger holiday as wanted to save money.You can't have everything life is full of choices.


I would say that there is maybe 3d group of emigrants - people who want to live in less crowded and commercial country sometimes even with less income.
There is quite a big English community in France, Italy.

kangaroo meat is very clean meat....still not a common meat for human consumption..although getting more popular.

I bet you didn't know but kangaroo meat is the best meat to give to pets ie dogs or cats!

I think most would like this, some more than others....(I'm sure most poles would like a new house. car, trip etc) I would.

think most would like this, some more than others....(I'm sure most poles would like a new house. car, trip etc) I would.

of course they would but not everyone can afford everything in once.

oh right that must explain why it's available on every menu??



???? having never been to Aus I really cannot compare but, I shop for meat in my local butchers in theUK and saw very little difference in what was offered in Poland?? do we english eat dog food too??

Delete that moron - he`s trolling again.

Btw. this is a very good news from last week:

biznes.onet.pl/0,1370310,wiadomosci.html

biznes.onet.pl/2,1370200,wiadomosci.html



Ryszard Krauze, Polish software potentate bought Kazach oil fields for 800 million dollars.

The amount of oil in those fields (2 billion barrels of crude oil) is going to be engough to cover Polish oild demands for the next 13 years. (8% of all Kazachstans oil reserves)

Beside spending the 800 million dollars on the oil fields, Krauze is going to spend an additional 400 million to create a new oil company.

It's all relative Lef, I earn a good wage have several hols a year have a nice apartment nice things and im quite over the moon with my life thanks!

Ever since the time of Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher people have been like this.Before PM Thatcher British people were less materialistic and more equal.She did some good things and some bad things - but she probably prepared Britain more for the global economy that we have now.
Yes,the attitude to credit is apalling - people on even low incomes want to live the high life.Blame the banks and government because they encourage and profit from it.

Well I am going to steer away from my Australia question and add my two cents in this forum, since I went to visit my family in poland this summer.

I went to Szczecin.

What I saw was a country still trying to recover after the fall of communism. I work for the government here in Canada and I see they have a lot of money to spend to improve our streets, our social programs, health care, and events and not to mention pay their public servants. Poland on the other hand is run by privatization. Everything that is flourishing is private or invested by some rich foreigner.
Two of my cousins have left for England to work because they say there is no money to be made in Poland. My mom’s side of the family owns their own business and they keep complaining they have work but no good people to employ.
I think Poland will take a very long time to be just as organized as North America. They don’t know better. Everyone who is old is bitter and tired. Everyone who is young is fed up and leaving. No one is staying to fix what could be a great place to start a life. I also think many people just don’t know what to do or how to start. Foreign investors on the other hand know exactly what to do. For example in downtown Szczecin a large beautiful mall called the Galaxy was recently built. Not sure if you are aware but stores on Sunday are completely closed. The downtown core is like a ghost town. However the only store or shopping facility that is open regular North American hours is the Galaxy mall. Now you think to your self this investor, (who I heard is a Greek multimillionaire, saw a need and filled it.) This mall is extremely busy with people shopping at all hours of the day. Its obvious to me that polish people have the money and are spending it, but where are the investors to continue putting money into the economy for it to flourish, and that is what I think is lacking in the Polish economy.


thoughts?

Communism has ended here 17 years ago. We were "struggling" somewhere during the early 90s - but this had been a long time ago.



We aren`t a leftie-communist state like Canada.

Also the foreign owned companies are a minority here, and actually some of the more succesfull corporations are partly state owned.



Yes - and this is how 2/3 of the "unemployment" in Poland looks like.



Really ? What do you say ? How interesting - please teach me the wonders of the "Canaduuh-organization-skills". I would be very eager to learn more about them.



"Everyone" ?



Yes.. I understand we don`t have universities and my master degree in management is a fiction.



Shops in Poland are alowed to be opened on Sunday (unlike i.e. in Germany).. and I`m sure that that particular store isn`t the only one in Szczecin that is being opened on that day.



Well, you know, this is being called - capitalism. I`m also quite sure that he`s a bilionere and not a multimilionaire - we also have many such people living here.



When it comes to foreign investments we`re reciving more investments than Russia which is many times bigger. We are also one of the worlds fastest growing eonomies.

If you`d be living here, with that kind of views on the economy I bet you`d be voting for this guy:

Anyone had made any similar "discoveries" ?

..Frankly speaking some of the veiws that you are expressing are quite stupid - to say the least and can be very well classified under "entertainment".

Poland is no different than any other European or US economy - with the difference that we have lower taxes than in W.Europe as well as more complicated laws and things like setting up a business or clearing issues in front of a court usually take more time than it is the case in the US. We do not have anything similar to "equal" employment of etchnic groups and other minorities.. (which is a good thing). All of the companies here are working according to the same rules as anywhere else - when it comes to some issues they have more in some other cases less freedom than anywhere else in W. Europe or the US. The state on the other hand has a large influance on companies that deal in sectors that are of strategic value to national security (i.e. the energy sector, mining, railway transport and arms production)

The Financial institutions conected to the stock exchange have also slightly less financial instruments to work with than it`s the case i.e. in London so they use other instruments that they invent - but that is going to change in a year and in general those are only details.

We also follow more regulations than most part of the civilized world, but getting used in following various strict and often strange rules prepears many companies and people to operate in other countries and in the EU in general.

And those are actually the only differences between our economy and any other economy in the "old EU".

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And when it comes to the economic situation in Poland - I can only recomend reading ANY newspaper dealing with international economy and finances instead of writing some nonsense in this topic or as a matter of fact anywhere else.

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You have been in the EU only 2 years and have only a tiny non-European population.In time these things will definitely change and you will have the same equal employment rules as other EU countries.

For some time we had a so called "spokesman for equal opportunities" - which was recomended by the EU.. but the spokesman had various stupid ideas (i.e. she sued various companies for bilboard and Tv commercials where women had been shown as "sex objects") as well as wasted a lot of money - some time later this post had been abolished.

The people aren`t going to tolerate such nonsense here.

give it time!

I don`t think so - the people here are becoming more conservative than less. I.e. there are more people attending church masses now than 17 years ago, while the support for capital punisment had grown from c.a. 60% to almost 90%. I doubt that people are going to tolerate that kind of nonsense.

oh okay, lets see - I hope your right....anyway, have a good weekend I'm going home

oh okay, lets see - I hope your right....anyway, have a good weekend I'm going home

So you guys do this whole forum thing while at work??

Good observation krysia, take the top of the class! Be prepared now to receive a bucket load of abuse and a barrel of gutter language from Shelley

We should start a topic on how to cheat your employer, before it was pinching goods from work, now it is using the internet during work hours.
Prepare yourself for the usual excuses such as it was during a meal break or out of work hours... mmmmmm

Yes honey, I go on in between doing my work..Also I wouldnt dream of giving you abuse, just ignore Lef



Nope, I can multi-task, so it's quite easy to respond such an uninteligent comment