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ukpolska
Edited by: ukpolska  Sep 20, 07, 00:21  #31

Quoting: Puzzler
Ukpolska, they say in Poland: if you say A you outta say B. So why would the Radio Maryja be 'crappy'? Please, give some facts, evidence. Thanks in advance.

Will a retired priest do for you along with many of his friends who were sickened by the lavish way that Rydzyk and his followers live their life's, ("please prove otherwise")
Quoting: Puzzler
In fact, no critical thinking; no questioning.

What like "the army of mohair berets" (Polish: armia moherowych beretów)
Quoting: Krzysztof
Socratic thinking when talking to Puzzler - check!

lol
Quoting: Puzzler
- Yes, they can. Why would it be 'tasteless'? Personally, I don't see it as tasteless, nor do millions of other Poles.

millions Hmmm, bit overdone here wouldnt you say!!!
Quoting: Gary Busey
The radio station is a legitimate and courageous hold-out of the REAL Catholic church in Poland, and Father Rydzyk has more character and bravery than most priests for standing up for traditional culture--against the New World Order, Amerika-kultur, E.U.S.S.R. or whatever you want to name it.

Oh my god!!! you need treament.
Puzzler I will tell you why it is crappy, because it has twisted values sucking off the poor and uneducated (the army of mohair berets" (Polish: armia moherowych beretów)) while that turd Tadeusz Rydzyk has a life of luxury. This primarily is a business and its role in Politics sickens me and many “normal” poles.
My wife’s uncle was a priest here in Puławy and unfortunately he passed away last year and he was strictly opposed to that turd Rydzyk, because he believed in the church being here for to support people and not to brainwash them into voting for a politically party.
Puzzler like your name I ‘m puzzled as to why you ask for facts but then don’t produce them yourself? I am not religious myself but I respect people who are religious and are slightly jealous that they can have so much blind faith in something; but I do not respect fanaticism of any kind, especially when it takes advantage and manipulates people.


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Puzzler
  Sep 20, 07, 02:34  #32

re: that turd Tadeusz Rydzyk has a life of luxury...

- Prove that.

What 'retired priest' do you mean? Put him on the table. Now what would you like ME to prove, my good man?

re: I am not religious myself but I respect people who are religious

- Lol! Just read the previous quote (your own words, btw). Vulgar and, I suspect, cowardly you are as regards others' religious feelings.

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Klamka
  Sep 20, 07, 02:41  #33

Sorry it's in Polish...

tvn24.pl/12690,1520881,wiadomosc.html
media.wp.pl/kat,36682,wid,8111119,wiadomosc.html?ticaid=147f1

He does have a school. (But you're just going to say it doesn't count - it's The Evil TVN!)

Quoting: Puzzler
Many human beings are being taught how to read and write, but in some cases it's not sure why.


You know, I haven't read something this narrow-minded in a very long time. Of course, you can write for a reason! You have to show us the Real Truth. Good luck trying.

Quoting: Puzzler
Personally, I don't see it as tasteless, nor do millions of other Poles


If you do not, I guess I don't have a choice. It cannot be tasteless! And I know you met all those millions and talked to them in person. How else could you speak for them? I've just spoken to about thirty and haven't found anyone who likes it. (Unlike you, I don't tell people they should think other way if they don't agree with me.)

Quoting: Puzzler
You've perhaps only hurt feelings of the most unimportant people on earth - Christians.


And how exactly have I hurt them? All the Christians? Cause there are some who don't listen to RM and don't like Licheń. But if I hurt them by not being one of them, I'm not going to apologize. (Also, I don't think I've hurt any of those ladies (and gentelmen) who listen to RM. How do you think I've hurt them?)

Quoting: Puzzler
Klamka- the victim of Radio Maryja elderly female supporters?


You know, you're being offensive all the time. To all the people who read Wyborcza. We have feelings (yeah, they should have taken them away together with our minds, those vicked masons and jewish communists. Oh, how progerman they are! They want to destroy our country! Oh no! I'm thinking the truth! Now they're gonna take me to the ministry of love!)

You just seem like a type, who knows what is right (and hates everyone who doesn't agree), dear Puzzler. Now you'll say I'm a coward. I think any further discussion is pointless. I really don't like to be offended by narrowminded people (never said it's you ^^) who demand facts and respond with their emotions. Not pleasant emotions.

Bye.


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Crow
Edited by: Crow  Sep 20, 07, 03:14  #34

I don`t know how it affects other countries but, I can confirm that in Serbia this radio is popular among older population and not only among Catholics but also is accepted from some number of Orthodox, Greek-Catholic and Protestant believers (also older population).


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ukpolska
  Sep 20, 07, 03:17  #35

Quoting: Klamka
Klamka

I wouldn’t waste my breath on him, the guys got something wrong in his head, if he cannot justify something he has to insult people, what makes me laugh is that he keeps saying prove it, prove it, and never offers any supporting evidence himself, “done and finished with this guy” lol


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sledz
  Sep 20, 07, 03:34  #36

This is what the place looks like in Chicago
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Klamka
  Sep 20, 07, 03:59  #37

Quoting: ukpolska
I wouldn’t waste my breath on him, the guys got something wrong in his head, if he cannot justify something he has to insult people, what makes me laugh is that he keeps saying prove it, prove it, and never offers any supporting evidence himself, “done and finished with this guy” lol


Yeah, I know that.


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Gary Busey
Edited by: Gary Busey  Sep 20, 07, 04:06  #38

I don't see what all of the sniveling and whining are about--Radio Maryja is a single contrarian news source. It has a small audience and budget. All of the other news sources are free to spout their pro-EU, one-world, modernist garbage. I'm glad Fr. Rydzyk is struggling for the Polish nation and its traditional culture. I only wish they had an English-language service.

As far as the alleged "antisemitism," this accusation is likely political in nature, and may well be entirely fictional. Christophobia and hostility against the Polish nation on the part of the new EU elite are the REAL factors here.

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ukpolska
  Sep 20, 07, 04:16  #39

Quoting: Gary Busey
Gary Busey

Maybe if you lived in Poland you would understand and know alot more about what you are talking about.


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Gary Busey
  Sep 20, 07, 04:28  #40

Quoting: ukpolska
Maybe if you lived in Poland you would understand and know alot more about what you are talking about.


You claim to be better informed than I am, so why don't you explain the situation to me? Give me your best and most honest analysis, using what you KNOW to be reliable information and leaving out personal opinions: What is wrong with Radio Maryja?

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ukpolska
  Sep 20, 07, 04:34  #41

Listen Gary nothing is going to be solved here as you have an opinion and I am just stating what Polish people tell me here. If you mention Radio Maryja here, the people that I have met just start laughing and making fun out of it. And I don't claim anything not like a guy over 5,000 miles away or whatever it is, I hear it everyday, so please get over it!!!


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Gary Busey
  Sep 20, 07, 04:50  #42

Quoting: ukpolska
I am just stating what Polish people tell me...


Quoting: ukpolska
And I don't claim anything...



So in other words, you don't know what you're talking about?

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ukpolska
  Sep 20, 07, 04:56  #43

Quoting: Gary Busey
Quoting: ukpolska
I am just stating what Polish people tell me...


Quoting: ukpolska
And I don't claim anything...



So in other words, you don't know what you're talking about?

How childish misquoting someone


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Kilkline
  Sep 20, 07, 05:39  #44

If its true that when you take communion you are actually consuming the body and blood of Christ, how many times do you have to go before you've consumed a whole Jesus?


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Grzegorz_
  Sep 20, 07, 06:02  #45

Quoting: Kilkline






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Kilkline
  Sep 20, 07, 06:24  #46

I'd like to take this opportunity to apologise for any offense I may have caused to any of the religious amongst you by in some way questioning your water-tight belief system.

God bless/ Allahu Akbar(delete where appropriate)


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misiek [Guest]
  Sep 20, 07, 09:59  #47

Despite of some drawbacks of Radio Maryja, It is very important to keep the balance in Europe heading to nowhere in its customs.

As many of junk press in EU and US, complains about Poland and tries to put people (especially young) into complex of being polish, I found that ordinary people in UK, Belgium, Germany and other countries say something completly opposite.

They can see how many mistakes they have done in their own garden.. just looking at the new generation with no ambitions, no rules, no respect for anything.. which no one knows what to do with.

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Gary Busey
  Sep 20, 07, 14:39  #48

You're absolutely right, Misiek. The "New Europe" (the whole West, in fact) is nothing to get excited about. I don't see much of a future for the younger generations...

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misiek [Guest]
  Sep 20, 07, 18:27  #49

Gary dont worry, nature will take care of the 'Ballance' itself.
Unfortunatelly sometimes is painfull, looking back in the history..

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ukpolska
  Sep 20, 07, 23:58  #50

Quoting: Gary Busey
The "New Europe" (the whole West, in fact) is nothing to get excited about.

If this is true Gary, then why do you intend to come here then for a couple of years, your are very welcome here, but I was just wondering why the interest when you say it is nothing to get excited about?


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Gary Busey
  Sep 21, 07, 00:58  #51

Quoting: ukpolska
why do you intend to come here then for a couple of years


Eastern Europe has not become fully-Westernized, and has not integrated completely into the global junk-culture. I think America and Britain are neck-in-neck in the race for national and cultural disintegration. Germany and the Netherlands are not far behind, along with the rest of the wealthier Western nations.

In Eastern Europe there is still some semblance of communal life--the Catholic church is not yet dead in Poland, unlike in Italy and France--and people still want to start families. The Easterners still take pride in their ethnic identities and national heritage, while we Brits and Americans have been made to feel ashamed of ours.

In any case, those are the philosophical reasons! On a more practical level, I'm a fairly young guy--soon to finish grad. school--and the prospects here are not great. America becomes MORE expensive and LESS livable with each passing day. What a deal!

Regarding the TEFL/ESL thing, I like the idea of a 25-hr. work week (or thereabouts), and enough of a salary to afford a room or studio and still have money left over for fun. Where I live that's impossible. Also, this will be my last chance to really travel, before getting tied down with a career and family, so why not take the opportunity?

Anyway, my apologies (ukpolska) if I seemed like I was getting worked-up over the Radio Maryja thing. In all honesty I don't know a huge amount about them, except that they are conservative, pro-family, and pro-national, and do NOT want Poland's popular culture to become a wasteland like America's. Maybe they are crude and laughable in some ways, but I sympathize with their fears. Polish identity--symbolized by the Catholic church--sustained the nation and gave the people hope throughout the miserable Soviet experiment. It would be a shame if that identity and tradition now evaporate in the face of Western cultural promiscuity.

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ukpolska
  Sep 21, 07, 03:55  #52

Quoting: Gary Busey
nyway, my apologies (ukpolska) if I seemed like I was getting worked-up over the Radio Maryja thing.

Fair enough you seem an ok guy, if your are ever down in Pulawy way, look me up for beer, easy to find, just find the Bambury English School and I will be there. :O)


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Puzzler
  Sep 22, 07, 05:06  #53

re: I wouldn’t waste my breath on him, the guys got something wrong in his head, if he cannot justify something he has to insult people, what makes me laugh is that he keeps saying prove it, prove it, and never offers any supporting evidence himself, “done and finished with this guy” lol

- Well, so you are able to reply with insults only, my dear man? You cannot give any proof to back your allegatons against Father Rydzyk? Where's your alleged 'former priest' as the proof? Now in the above quote you are alleging that I haven't justified something and because of that I have insulted somebody. What haven't I justified allegedly, and whom have I insulted? Give pertinent quotes. You're alleging that I 'never' give 'supporting evidence.' You're not only vulgar (re name calling at Father Rydzyk), and cowardly (you wouldn't dare to call vulgar names any rabbi or mulla, would you?), but also a liar. And also a fool - a wise man always looks for contradictory evidence. I take your intention not to speak to me (on the grounds that, basically, I am stupid), as a cowardly excuse and flight from a discussion where you've been proven to be wrong and are ashamed of being sees as a fool. So that's your worst fear? As for me, I reserve the right to comment on your posts. :)

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Puzzler
  Sep 22, 07, 05:19  #54

Hey, Gary Busey. You basically express the right stuff about Radio Maryja, as far as I'm concerned. However, I am fascinated by something else in your posts, namely your use of terms such as 'Eastern Europe,' 'Easterners,' 'the West,' etc. As I understand, you deem as 'Western' or 'fully-Westernized' (sic) countries such as America, UK, Germany, Holland, Italy, and France. But not Poland; we are 'Easterners' for you. Specifically why? What do you understand by 'the West,' 'Eastern Europe,' 'Westernisation,' and the like? Thanks in advance for reply. Wow! Maybe I have eventually hit upon somebody - Gary Busey from America! - who can elighten me in these matters?! Cheeerio! :)

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Puzzler
  Sep 22, 07, 05:41  #55

re If its true that when you take communion you are

- Kilkline, we have the potential to ridicule anything at all, including any religion at all. Some religious statements may appear irrational when taken literally, which makes them an easy target for ridicule. What's your own religion, Kilkline? Have you got any? If not, there must be other things you've got strong positive feelings towards, e.g. your parents, siblings, country, girlfriend. They're can be brutally ridiculed too, you know?
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Shawn_H
  Sep 22, 07, 05:46  #56

Quoting: Puzzler
As I understand, you deem as 'Western' or 'fully-Westernized' (sic) countries such as America, UK, Germany, Holland, Italy, and France. But not Poland; we are 'Easterners' for you. Specifically why?


Puzzler, it seems that even the UN has the impression that Poland lies within "Eastern Europe"....
http://www.un.org/Depts/Cartographic/map/profile/easteuro.pdf


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Puzzler
Edited by: Puzzler  Sep 22, 07, 06:44  #57

re: He does have a school.

- The news in question doesn't prove Father Rydzyk is an owner of a school.

re: (But you're just going to say it doesn't count - it's The Evil TVN!)

- Oh, you're anticipating what I may say in order to scare me from saying it? :) Do you suggest that if I said TVN news doesn't count I would be wrong? Why? By the way, TVN has been caught lying about Radio Maryja. They're clearly prejudiced towards Radio Maryja and Father Rydzyk. Whatever they say about Radio Maryja, therefore, should be taken with caution.

re: Quoting: Puzzler 'Many human beings are being taught how to read and write, but in some cases it's not sure why.' You know, I haven't read something this narrow-minded in a very long time.

- Why would it be narrtow-minded? As far as I'm concerned, it's broad-minded.

re: Of course, you can write for a reason! You have to show us the Real Truth. Good luck trying.

- I have indicated the 'reason' in my previous post; if you were more intelligent, or less blinded, you should spot it right away. But I'll explain 'the reason' once again: education for every one doesn't make people wiser nor the world better, and is a huge waste of resources.

re: If you do not [regard Lichen as tasteless -P.], I guess I don't have a choice. It cannot be tasteless!

- Why not? You're still entitled to your own taste. But do you actually have any?

re: And I know you met all those millions and talked to them in person.

- Nope, I haven't met them in person, but the fact that they visit and pray in Lichen, seems to indicate that Lichen isn't as abhorrent to them as to you.

re: I've just spoken to about thirty and haven't found anyone who likes it.

- And I've spoken maybe to a hundred people and they all liked it.

re: (Unlike you, I don't tell people they should think other way if they don't agree with me.)

- Where did I tell people they should think other way [sic] if they don't agree with me? Give the quote. Liar, liar.

re:Quoting: Puzzler You've perhaps only hurt feelings of the most unimportant people on earth - Christians. And how exactly have I hurt them? All the Christians?

- Perhaps all or many honest Christians. Do you know why?

re: Cause there are some who don't listen to RM and don't like Licheń.

- So?

re: But if I hurt them by not being one of them, I'm not going to apologize.

- What is your point in the above sentence?

re: (Also, I don't think I've hurt any of those ladies (and gentelmen) who listen to RM. How do you think I've hurt them?)

- Well, maybe you should read your own posts? Read them, and if you still can't answer your own question, I'll tell you the answer.

re: You know, you're being offensive all the time. To all the people who read Wyborcza.

- Really? You mean I'm offensive even now, when I write the word 'really'? :) And how? In reality, haven't I merely been critical of those who, despite their ability to read, and possibly write, allow themselves to be brainwashed by Michnik and buddies? You're one of them, klamka, btw.

re: We have feelings (yeah, they should have taken them away together with our minds, those vicked masons and jewish communists. Oh, how progerman they are! They want to destroy our country! Oh no! I'm thinking the truth! Now they're gonna take me to the ministry of love!)

- And what the devil does the above wordflow mean? Did some sudden madness or possession strike you during scribbling? What do you mean in the quote?

re: You just seem like a type, who knows what is right (and hates everyone who doesn't agree), dear Puzzler.

- On what grounds would I seem to be so? Delusional ones? - In reality, I only question what others say (and think). And privately I mercilessly question what I myself think and say. Are you bright enough to get that?

re: Now you'll say I'm a coward. I think any further discussion is pointless.

- Hm, again the same false rhetorical trick of anticipating of what I may say and suggesting that if I say it I'd be wrong? In reality, yes, you are a coward fleeing from a discussion with me. I think I know why - your own adversity towards me provides the answer. You are scared to have your convictions questioned, scared of losing them, even if they are wrong. If you were sure of your convictions, if they were right, you'd be self-confident and prove me wrong right on the spot. But since you appear to be young, and perhaps just blinded rather than unintelligent, I suspect there's still some hope you might see things as they are, rather than through convictions implanted by rascals of Michnik, Walter and Krol's ilk.
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Puzzler
  Sep 22, 07, 06:47  #58

re: Puzzler, it seems that even the UN has the impression that Poland lies within "Eastern Europe"....

- Well, then the same question - why? - I'd ask the UN.

By the way, the UN isn't any - how shall I put it? - intellectual authority to me.

And would you agree with me, Shawn, that the 'East' and 'West' terminology and division comes largely from the the Cold War era propaganda?

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Puzzler
  Sep 22, 07, 06:53  #59

PS, Shawn. I've noticed that many North Americans are still attached to the 'East-West' division and terminology. I suspect I know why....
:)

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Shawn_H
  Sep 22, 07, 07:08  #60

Quoting: Puzzler
And would you agree with me, Shawn, that the 'East' and 'West' terminology and division comes largely from the the Cold War era propaganda?


I would concur that it originates from the Cold War era.

Why use the word Propaganda though? If I look at a map of Europe, and draw an imaginary line through the middle (west on the left, east on the right) a good chunk of Poland is on the right (east side of the map).

Why do you object to the term Eastern Europe. (If it is posted elsewhere, forgive me. There are thousands of pages to sort through...)

Would Poland's placement in "Central Europe" be less objectionable, or should it just be Europe?


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