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I am looking for a Lawyer in Krakow specialising in real estate and criminality


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LwowskaKrakowThreads: 46
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Hello,
I am looking for a lawyer in Krakow ( Real Estate + Criminality) who speaks English or French to help me deal with my civil lawsuit against a dishonest developer + preferably someone who has worked in the West ( for cultural reasons /customer service and communication) and preferably of course who is recommended by a member Polish Forums.
I have had 3 Lawyers so far and I am really not impressed ,i need to have someone with a common language and common way to deal with western clients.

Thanks a lot for your help and tips,
andy bThreads: 6
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Joined: Nov 26, 07 ♂ 		Edited by: andy b  Dec 3, 09, 16:45    #2
I will send you a PM, as I don't want to recommend someone who you have already dealt with or post contact details on the forum
LwowskaKrakowThreads: 46
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Thank you Andy for trying to help and especially Inkrakow for her specific recommendation of a lawyer as a client.
I don't like to put down people but from my experience the lawyers Ive had in Krakow so far even if they were nice as human beeings seemed mostly money oriented, did not seem to know what they were doing or had to do ,they had no clear strategy at all and kept asking me the client what i wanted to do as if i were a lawyer myself and knew about Polish laws .

However they were very explicit about their fees which I had to pay upfront and which i found huge in respect with the work, the expertise provided and the time spent on my case which was not well handed mostly because of language difficulty and a lack of direction.

This is in my opinion mostly a Cross cultural thing, these people have only worked in Communist or Post communist Poland and don't have a clue about service that's why i am eager to meet a proper Polish lawyer with a clear sense of justice who has fought for clients outside Poland who will say that's what I will do to defend your rights and will behave accordingly with a strong moral sense.
I am an optimist but i am sure someone like that exists in Krakow!
winnipegurl  Dec 22, 09, 01:08    #4
I know of an excellent lawyer, he is from philadelphia but lives in poland. email me at ann_krawchuk@hotmail.com and I will forward you his info. I am using him presently for an inheritance case. I can put you in touch asap,.
delphiandomineThreads: 40
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winnipegurl:
I know of an excellent lawyer, he is from philadelphia but lives in poland. email me at ann_krawchuk@hotmail.com and I will forward you his info. I am using him presently for an inheritance case. I can put you in touch asap,.

Hang on. Is he cleared to practice in Poland? The differences between Polish law and American law are astronomical!
winnipegurl  Dec 22, 09, 09:35    #6
of course he is. i am from manitoba canada and hired him for an estate probate case.. give me your email address and i will give you his contact info. im serious.. he is acutally from the usa.
kate71  Dec 26, 09, 13:02    #7
I have a good lawyer (attortney in Cracow) who deals with real estates. he represents me in several cases. he helped also some of my friends. Here is his email: nartowski@ntadwokaci.pl.
good luck!
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Hi

I am also looking for a polish lawyer, please point in right direction, as delphiandomine has said must be a practicing polish lawyer.
winnipeg  Dec 31, 09, 04:30    #9
send me your email address and I will give you his contact info. he is working on a case for me right now and works off referal fees so if you decide to chose him I get a monetary small kick back. shaysweet24@hotmail.com
delphiandomineThreads: 40
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winnipeg:
send me your email address and I will give you his contact info. he is working on a case for me right now and works off referal fees so if you decide to chose him I get a monetary small kick back. shaysweet24@hotmail.com

Never, ever use a professional service on such a basis. How can you trust the opinion of someone who is paid by the professional to advertise their services? There's just too much conflict of interest there.

If someone offered me money to recommend their services, I wouldn't take it. In fact, I'd probably strike them off my list!
Wroclaw BoyThreads: 56
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winnipeg:
he is working on a case for me right now and works off referal fees so if you decide to chose him I get a monetary small kick back.

What did you say that for?
winnipeg  Jan 18, 10, 05:42    #12
don't you know what referrals are? they are used ALL time with ALL services... ( real estate networking, any and all sales business) if you get good service and you trust your business contact, i don't see why you would strike them off your list. If I had a problem I would not be referring them to ANYONE! lol!! I live a world away from Poland and I am letting you know this law firm is excellent so if any one is seriously looking for a law firm that is legit and will get your job done let me know! I am not the laywer and I am not self promoting myself, believe me if I was a lawyer I would not be blogging on polish forum!!!! lol!

I would suggest keeping your personal comments to yourselves! This is a forum for legal matters and people who are going through them.
hullo  Jan 18, 10, 06:08    #13
LwowskaKrakow:
I am an optimist but i am sure someone like that exists in Krakow!

you are the optimist but not realist, avoid Polish lawyers, they are all sharks and avoid, avoid, the ones which somebody refers and gets a kickback, you end up with bad service and pay much more.
Wroclaw BoyThreads: 56
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winnipeg:
I live a world away from Poland and I am letting you know this law firm is excellent

yeh but you get paid for referrals so how can we believe you?

winnipeg:
If I had a problem I would not be referring them to ANYONE!

You might because they pay you!!

winnipeg:
if I was a lawyer I would not be blogging on polish forum!!!! lol!

Because youd be financially stable even more evidence.

I have no problem with referrals and passing on what somebody believes is a good and honest service but the minute you mention getting paid for it.......... It cancels everything out right.
delphiandomineThreads: 40
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winnipeg:
don't you know what referrals are? they are used ALL time with ALL services.

I don't give money to anyone that recommends me! It's about the most unethical form of promotion there is - and it gives the service a very bad reputation.

winnipeg:
if you get good service and you trust your business contact, i don't see why you would strike them off your list.

I don't deal with people that pay a commission for people to recommend them. They're almost guaranteed to be unprofessional and overpriced. If someone did pay me an unexpected commission, then the client would be informed immediately and the amount deducted from their bill. No exceptions.

winnipeg:
I live a world away from Poland and I am letting you know this law firm is excellent so if any one is seriously looking for a law firm that is legit and will get your job done let me know!

I fail to believe that an "excellent law firm" would need to pay referral fees. The best firms don't need to. In fact, if they have to pay referral fees, there must be something very wrong with their business!

winnipeg:
I would suggest keeping your personal comments to yourselves! This is a forum for legal matters and people who are going through them.

Indeed, and you've just advised us that you're recommending a lawyer which pays you to do so. And you honestly believe that anyone will use the lawyer now?

(surprise, an American-born lawyer not understanding that Europeans see through paid-for referrals)
SzwedwPolsceThreads: 12
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No one trust a person who gets paid for recommending someone. It's ridiculous.
jonniThreads: 26
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winnipeg:
they are used ALL time with ALL services

In Europe they're not. The original poster was asking for genuine advice, not a paid referral to something. If he wanted that, he wouldn't have posted here.
winnipeg  Jan 18, 10, 19:39    #18
different marketing in north american I guess. this is why we are looking for north american lawyers in europe not polish lawyers! paid referrals are not worth thousands of dollars they might be worth $50.00 to $100.00! You guys are nuts! If I said something else on here everyone would hate on me anyways! grow up! this is why your not successful and we are!! I am done with all you polish HATERS hating on others! I am sure I will come back to you blogging back here! lol!!! sooo funny!!!!!! I have a marketing major and this is a huge way to get more business. word of mouth is not the same as it was years back, you have to pay to get real work. all business runs this way!don't take my word for it though just google it!
winnipeg  Jan 18, 10, 19:42    #19
and yes lawyers are overpriced no matter which one you chose! getting paid a small referral is hardly worth talking about. I am talking from experience, if you want a real laywer who has worked internationally, I am working with the best.
HarryThreads: 59
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winnipeg:
you have to pay to get real work. all business runs this way!don't take my word for it though just google it!

I just so happen to do a lot of work for one of the USA's top three law firms (which is ranked as tier one in Poland). The firm has a very strict policy about never even paying for being listed in any directories: anybody who paid any referral fee would be immediately fired / thrown out.


winnipeg:
if you want a real laywer who has worked internationally, I am working with the best.

I would very very much doubt that. If the guy was good, his reputation would be all the draw he needed to get more clients than he could handle.
delphiandomineThreads: 40
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winnipeg:
different marketing in north american I guess.

Yep. American marketing is incredibly false - to the point where product placement is disgustingly obvious and obtrusive.

winnipeg:
this is why we are looking for north american lawyers in europe not polish lawyers!

I very much doubt that a "North American" lawyer could get much done in Europe. Entirely different legal system, entirely different way of doing things. Any "North American" lawyer in Europe relying on referrals clearly isn't doing too well for himself!

winnipeg:
paid referrals are not worth thousands of dollars they might be worth $50.00 to $100.00!

Why would a "successful North American lawyer" need to pay a thing to attract clients? Clearly isn't the sign of a successful lawyer, or indeed one even qualified to practice law in Poland. I actually wonder what the legal societies here would think of someone paying referral fees..

winnipeg:
this is why your not successful and we are!!

Seeing as you can't even use the English language properly, I doubt very much that "your" successful.

winnipeg:
I have a marketing major and this is a huge way to get more business.

Clearly your Mickey Mouse "marketing" major didn't teach you anything about marketing to Europeans - most of whom would regard someone paying "referral fees" as the sign of a failed lawyer.

winnipeg:
word of mouth is not the same as it was years back, you have to pay to get real work. all business runs this way!don't take my word for it though just google it!

We're not talking Avon here, darling. Most of us are perfectly capable of obtaining work without having to pay for it :) As has been said - any halfway decent lawyer wouldn't have to pay a thing!

winnipeg:
if you want a real laywer who has worked internationally, I am working with the best.

I very much doubt that. What's his name? We can then see if he really is "the best". Or is that a secret?
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delphiandomine:
I very much doubt that. What's his name? We can then see if he really is "the best". Or is that a secret?

Shoosh if she publishes his name she wont get the referral money.
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winnipeg:
this is why we are looking for north american lawyers in europe not polish lawyers!

Original post:
LwowskaKrakow:
I am looking for a lawyer in Krakow........someone who has worked in the West

winnipeg:
I am done with all you polish HATERS hating on others!

Advising someone not to get ripped off by a Canadian is an odd definition of "Polish hating".
winnipeg  Jan 21, 10, 04:02    #24
LOL!! this is funny!!! I guess you guys have never used a coupon either? or collect rewards points on credits cards or air miles ??? let's talk about that one. I want to hear your point of view! Sorry to burst your bubble but coupons are referral type promotions and so are rewards points!!!!! money in your pocket for using their service or buying their product.
I don't purchase based on trust, as trust is emotional, i purchase products and services based on economical value / dollar spent. If someone is offering a small referral fee for spreading the good word for service, than why not take it? Great advertising and very smart! If you don't agree with this then that's fine! But I don't agree with anything you have to say
winnipeg  Jan 21, 10, 04:15    #25
What you guys dont understand is that I don't live in warsaw or poland or europe! I live in Canada.. do you understand how far that is? To even find a law firm that wants to work with you that isn't phony or fake is a huge deal.. I know tons of people in my city who would possibly need an international lawyer that is legit. You guys have no idea what I have been through in the last 6 years and getting a good lawyer is hard to come by. You are being very unfair and playing "devils advocate" on something this menial, is ridiculous. If this firm wants to give me small referral fee if they happen to get some business from me in the future than that's great! what is soooo BAD about that?

Whats really annoying is that none of you guys need a lawyer and are WASTING peoples time by disecting by blog.

It's also a proven known fact the polish people are always getting paid off by money, food and booze. This is a proven fact!!!!! Now that's the truth! Nothing like that would ever or could ever happen in Canada, in poland I can go to a court room or bank and pay them off with $50.00 to get the info I need!! I know because we had to do this, it was soo easy. So explain that. you think refferal fees are unethical, what about paying others off like you do in poland?
winnipeg  Jan 21, 10, 04:27    #26
cba.org/bc/initiatives/main/lawyer_referral.aspx

Read this and then blog. I hope you finally wrap you brains around refferals and lay off the blogging. It's totally legit and one of the best ways to get clients, especially international clients.
jonniThreads: 26
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winnipeg:
in poland I can go to a court room or bank and pay them off with $50.00 to get the info I need!! I know because we had to do this, it was soo easy.

Tell us more about the time you went to a "court room or bank" in Poland and "paid them off" with $50.00.

If this level of disrespect isn't anti-polonism, I don't know what is.
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winnipeg:
if I was a lawyer I would not be blogging on polish forum!!!!

You and other semiliterates have to learn how to write the word Polish first.
winnipeg:
What you guys dont understand is that I don't live in warsaw or poland or europe! I live in Canada..

I can see you already learned how to write Canada properly.
inkrakow  Jan 21, 10, 10:05    #29
winnipeg:
It's also a proven known fact the polish people are always getting paid off by money, food and booze.

A "proven known fact" eh? I recommended the OP a lawyer who fulfilled her criteria and I wasn't paid off by money, food or booze. I have enough of each, thanks. Please don't transfer your unfortunate experience with a Polish developer to all Poles.

Personally, now that I've been through a few court cases in Poland myself (as the plaintiff, never the defendant!), I'd never hire a foreign-based lawyer. For starters, in this day and age, there are many qualified and professional Polish lawyers who speak fluent English and have had the chance to study abroad so communication is not an issue. Apart from that, the regulations here are complex, still developing and open to interpretation, they are not based on common law as in the UK or US, court notifications have to be delivered by recorded delivery to all parties which can seriously prolong matters and they often have to be responded to within days. In any case, a foreign lawyer will have to hire a Polish one to represent them in court thereby adding another layer of cost.
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winnipeg:
To even find a law firm that wants to work with you that isn't phony or fake is a huge deal.

Yes, it is a huge deal: because you are far too stupid to just go to a website or pick up a book and have a look which lawyers are best. Companies like Chambers & Partners, The Legal 500 and PLC Which Lawyer all produce definitive guides based on interviews with clients and lawyers that give you a very clear ranking of law firms. Pity that you are too moronic to use their free services.

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