PIS and PO - what is the difference in their programs?

Since I'm not in Poland any more, I don't really get the difference between the two leading parties in Poland (PO - Platforma Obywatelska and PIS - Partia Prawo i Sprawiedliwosc). Which party is more "democratic", and which more "republican"? I assume PIS is more conservative.

http://www.po.org.pl - PO

http://www.pis.org.pl - PIS

their both ulra chrian parties, so thats it when asking about them beeing conservative. And I sugest lets stop at that so we wont cause forums flames.

From what I know, many Poles in Poland are now PISsed at PIS, for some reason. I would say - let them continue one more time to finish what they have started; otherwise, Poland may be in mess.

not realy.

The most important thing is a party with a clear majority. But I doubt that's going to happen.

Shortly

PO liberal economics, less bureaucracy, thinking about future, pro European, in some cases conservative.

PiS social economics, bureaucrats, anty communistic, fighting corruption, definitely conservative,

LiD -, corrupted, lazy (ex) communists who pretend to be our Labors party, submissive in European relationships

PSL - cooperate with everybody for some concessions for their electorate (farmers)

Samoobrona - populists

LPR- nationalists

That's true. Both PO and PiS are... average, better on some things, worse on others - It doesn't really matters which one will win, the most important is to kick out of parliament frieks like LPR and SO and useless PSL and make commies as weak as this is possibel.

Good summary (I think), Lukasz. What about abortion and religion?

We have kind of compromise, there is status quo, and main forces of parliament don’t change the abortion laws (you can have legal abortion only in some cases).

Religion .... to be honest PiS and LPR seams to use church (or some of its parts) in their policy (to get new electorate) . We have rather conservative country, so most politicians like to show themselves religious and serious about church … sometimes it looks funny.

Ok then perhaps I would vote for PIS, but first they would have to change these:

Bureaucrats - this is not something any business or citizen would want to deal with

Anty communistic - good, may be anti-communistic, but this probably takes them too much time for nothing; they would be better off focusing on the real economical or social problems

The problem with all these parties is that they are run by politicians who are more interested in satisfying their own egos than in running the country properly. At least, the Poles got rid of Kwasniewski and the SLD Bolshevik/Communists.

you see, hello, first you ask about abortion/religion and then say anti-communism is not an important thing, well I can say the same about abortion and religion, for me they are less of a problem for Poland (generally) than our communist burden (that still affects many areas, including economy and social life)

But how long are Poles going to talk about communism? It's been 20 years since changing the "system" and people still haven't resolved it...

On a side note, when I'm reading Gazeta.pl online it seems they try everything to discredit PIS. I thought the Polish public media should be a little more objective...

I dont see the problem, for hello religion/abortion is more inportnt than comunists.

For me our economy is the most important thing so I m going to vote on PO

What I meant is that for him some problems seem more improtant, for me not. What's wrong with religion in Poland? I've been an atheist for 20 years now, since I'm 16 and I never had any problems with that, not with my family (mostly religious) nor friends not even in church (because of wedding and baptism formalities). So it's hard for me to see why Poland is regarded as a church-dominated, backward country, because it's a huge exaggeration, IMHO. And about abortion, yes, I know our law is more restrictive here than normally in the Western world, but you need to see things in proportion, how many people are really affected by that law, it's not like every pregnant woman wants to get rid of the baby/foetus.

There are real and much bigger problems, affecting all the country and yes, they are connected with the fact that



it's not about talking, it's about finally doing something.

and sticking to the topic, it's not the programs of the parties that matter, it's how they realize their program in practice, which, unfortunatelly in Poland is far from the promises made during the electorial campaign.

I really have a big headache because of the coming elections, I won't vote for PiS, because I can't forgive them forming a government with thieves from Samoobrona (Kaczyński's almost own words - two months or so before the election, of course he couldn't use the word "thieves" because of possible legal preceedments, but it's how he was talking about Lepper & Co., and I agree), but the alternative according to the current polls is a coallition of PO and LiD, and the Kwaśniewki party ruling (even as a smaller party in the government) this country again isn't any better. So let's say I see the future in black colors, when it's come to the political life :(

Polish PM in tight election race


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6995228.stm

Hi,

Well, I think that the problem of the abortion and/or religion is quite important. Because, for these reason, polish citizens have not the same rights than any other europeans. When an european has some problems with his country (eg: this polish woman who now is blind because she didn't abort), They can go to an european tribunal and issue them. But there is an exception: Polish people can not do that if the problem is related with religion, family or national security.

About the comunism,... Well I am spanish. In Spain we had a similar problem than polish people now. After the dictator Franco (he was from the rigth wing and a radical catholic) we should choose between try to revenge or to try to solve the problems of the country. We chose to solve the problems of the country.

By reading all posts I came to the conclusion that if I were Pole I would vote in favour of the League of Polish families.
I think Poles who are for moral don't have any different way.
Unfortunately the League is so unexperienced in politics and administration. It seems to romantic.

Now I understand why you symphatize so much with sarmats ...

Yes, I hate liberast movement everythere.
It is not liberal.
I'm afraid Poland today isn't the historic RP. There are many people who are very agressive in their imoral behaviour and public opinion doesn't persecute them. There were moral violators before, but among middle classers such as little szlachta and city residents that was a shame. Nothing of the sort today.
I don't think the League has chosen a right political way to defend morals. But other political forces aren't moral defenders at all.

Twins better.

Lech Kachynski is President. And I'm talking about the parlamentary elections. As to Jaroslaw, smth. may be wrong with his activities.
Unfortunately the League have an antisemit reputation and that doesn't permit its dialogue with Russian political circles. I'm sure they have fresh ideas to solve some problems between Poland and Russia

Difference between main parties, explained in short.

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Consider a barrel of honey with a spoonful of s-h-i-t. Poland, now.

Law and Justice (PiS):
Let us remove this s-h-i-t with care. The rest is honey nonetheless.

Civic Platform (PO):
No, let us take a spoon and stir to mix both ingredients.

the Left and Democrats (LiD):
Yes, let us mix, but use an electric mixer instead of a simple spoon.



And s-h-i-t eaters - which party (parties) are they likely to vote ?

Nobody mentioned UPR party which is the oldest in post-communist history of Poland. However they are outside of the parliament for many years they regularly win the support of about 2% of voters.

- economically liberal much more than PO
- more conservative and traditionalist than PiS
- anti-EU which they consider to be a socialist bureaucratic monster, so pro-absolute independence
- pro-freedom in general
- pro-NATO

Actually the made a tactical alliance with LPR and hopefully they finally manage to do it. Poland need them because actually only PO declare itself to be pro-liberal economy but their proposal often are far from such general declaration. Sometimes they sound like a openly socialist PiS. UPR should counter them on this ground and hopefully cooperate to change this country and reject bureaucracy caused by socialism.

UPR is right on many things but they have no chance in serious politics.

Well if our dear mainstream media would be so kind to report that Korwin-Mikke isn't the chief of UPR anymore and that the new wave of politicians of younger generation run them then perhaps they could do something positive for all of us.

I have seen recently their chief Wojciech Popiela in long two hour debate in Superstancja TV. He did destroy his opponents from other parties in this discussion. Even journalist who run this debate Mrs Paradowska a leftist said that she was surprised by very good impression that he made. In SMS voting he was classified third after PO and LiD what is great result if you consider that they introduced him as a representation of LPR.

So we know Kwasniewski (LID) can speak and write English very well; he proved it on many occasions in the media.

How about Kaczynski (PIS) and Tusk (PO) - do they know English or other foreign languages well?

There is a video clip attainable at YouTube presenting Polish politicians speaking English.

IMO:
Surprisingly, Kaczynski deals with it.
The best was Giertych (League of Polish Families).
The worst case: Olejniczak (leader of the Left and Democrats).

I do not know about Tusk, however, obviously he know some German (it seems it is not a foreign language for his family).


As concerns Kwasniewski - there are [YouTube] video samples of his English. I am not sure whether his prononciation is as good as expected. Please, listen it for yourself.

Yes, I know Kwasniewski doesn't speak English very well - but at least he's not afraid to speak it. He seems to know Russian well, too (obviously).