Plural spelling (doktor, drukarz)

doktor - doktorzy

drukarz - drukarze

Are the following spellings correct in plural?

What case is this?

just the nominative

mianownik

porta, where are you now?

I'm no expert ,just thought it would be useful for anyone to know the case :)

But i think doktorzy is correct. I dont know the other word.

Hi Grzegorz - can you help with this question?

Can anybody else help?

drukarz(e) - printer ( the person)?

can anybody else help with this question?

Both are correct.

Thanx G - Can you tell me why though. In plural, both have rz before the inflection = soft consonant => plural ending in e? Or has it got to do with the fact that doktor ends in r and not in rz?

it's a tough question

:) ...

According to my book ,you have the right idea there :) You have to take the original word ,not the word it turns into ,if you see what i mean? :)

thnx porta

Only glad to help another soul who is struggeling to learn this seemingly impossible language :)

You want to be careful with plurals in Polish as it can be a bit of a mine field. Doktor has the plural doktorzy but inzynier, as the name suggests, an engineer, has the plural inzynierowie. We could just simplify the language and have inzynierzy for the plural too!

I know i read something about why it is like this not long ago ,i will try to find it again and post it here.

Have you got a good text book? If you have a proper course written by an expert with proper lessons you should be able to learn the language well over a period of time. It must be very confusing learning bits of grammar in different contexts and then trying to fit it all together with help over the internet. Even first generation Polish speakers on this forum do, often, make mistakes.

actually both forms are correct:
inżynierowie/inżynierzy
profesorowie/profesorzy
doktorzy/doktorowie (in this case, according to my spelling dictionary, Wielki słownik ortograficzny, doktorzy is the only form of nominative plural for medicine doctors, while doktorowie is allowed when it's the universtity degree/title, for example: doktorowie nauk prawniczych or doktorowie filozofii)

I certainly never say that.

Krzysztof, would this dictionary be of any help to me, English learning Polish, or is it just written in Polish?

Can you not go to a fairly good book shop where you can actually open the pages and see how user friendly the book is for yourself before buying?

you can use the online version, quite useful:

http://so.pwn.pl/ - it's in Polish, but it doesn't contain many descriptions, just the spelling, and the cases (usually Dopełniacz = Genitive and/or Biernik/Accusative, singular and/or plural) which are/may be problematic (even for native speakers).
It's rather for more advances students of Polish as a foreign language, but you may try it, if you wish. You have to use Polish fonts when searching a word

Here's an example:

pedał (homoseksualista) -ała, B.= D., -ale; te -ały, -ałów
(it's an offensive term, a fag/faggot)

pedał (przedmiot) -ału, B.= M., -ale; -ały, -ałów
(bicycle/car pedal)

in the first version of "pedał" you see -ała (it means the Genitive/Dopełniacz is "pedała"), then B.= D. (Biernik = Dopełniacz, so Accusative form is equal to Genitive), -ale (it's the form of Miejscownik/Locative: pedale); (after the semicolon ; follow some plural forms:) te -ały (it means that in Nominative plural we use the form "pedały" and the pronoun "te" suggests it's treated as non-personal noun - normally "these men" translates to "ci mężczyźni", but these faggots doesn't translate to "ci pedałowie" like other male, human nouns in plural, it's used as non-living objects "te stoły" = "these tables), -ałów (Genitive plural)

in the second version of "pedał" you see -ału (it means the Genitive/Dopełniacz is "pedału"), then B.= M. (Biernik = Mianownik, so Accusative form is equal to Nominative), -ale (it's the form of Miejscownik/Locative: pedale); (after the semicolon ; follow some plural forms:) -ały (Nominative plural is "pedały"), -ałów (Genitive plural)

thanx Krzyztof - will check it out.

As I said to you, go to a good bookshop and buy a decent language course and everything is laid out for you in sequence. Otherwise, language learning is almost impossible.

Did you use any of those books?

Of course, I have a wielki wybor!