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How much Poles trust to France?

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Crow:
i think then these days, more then ever in last 20 years, Poles could be able to see true face of France. France is just one of evil empires where is total lunatic elected president. Some say that country has president exactly as country deserve.

Crow, why, suddenly, you so disgusted with France? Did France just do something to **** you off? If so, what?



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 Photos: 1  ♂ Mar 22, 2011, 11:07pm  #

southern:
It is strange that russian attitude in Balkans has always been honorable unlike what they did to other neighbours.I guess sth stops them from attacking the Serbs or they view the whole area differently.

There are many opinions about it. In any case its very interesting


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  ♂ Mar 22, 2011, 11:11pm  #

Yes,they did not colonize Bulgaria or Serbia so they don't seem to bother.


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 Photos: 1  ♂ Edited by: Crow  Mar 22, 2011, 11:25pm  #

PlasticPole:
Crow, why, suddenly, you so disgusted with France? Did France just do something to **** you off? If so, what?

France, same as Britain, Holland and USA collaborated with mujaheedines on Balkan (in last 20 years) against Slavic element there. They may say that they are friends of Poland but, they aren`t. They only seek to use Poland as condom against Russia. If they are friends of Poland they would allow Poland to take advantage in the region that is (via Serbs) traditionally pro-Polish oriented and Poland could additionally prosper having influence in important transportation routes in Europe. Instead of that, France, Britain and USA used ustashe in Croatia to subjugate Croatia to the Germany and Bosnian Muslims to subjugate Bosnia to the Turkey. So, Poland is straitened and pushed far from the warm seas.

Have in mind that those are `FRIENDS` who restricting power of Poland. Its probably better side of Polish `friends`. In worse case scenario, `friends` could take part in partition of Poland.


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  ♂ Mar 22, 2011, 11:56pm  #

Crow:
They only seek to use Poland as condom against Russia


wtf since when do people use condoms against something? Secondly Poland is not that flexible? Thirdly condom against what exactly - that extra hairy Russian snatch that looks like a electrocuted beaver with a gaping stomach wound???


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  ♂ Edited by: southern  Mar 23, 2011, 12:27am  #

Serbian head is bare back.Anyway French are traditional turkophiles.The french king was the first in Europe to sign commerce treaty with the Sultan in 1500.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitulations_of_the_Ottoman_Empire

Here the letter of Suleiman the magnificent to French king.

“I, sultan of sultans, king of kings, the shadow of God who bestows the crown to the monarchs on earth, the supreme ruler of the Mediterranean and Black Seas, the Balkans and Anatolia, Azerbaijan, Damascus and Halep, Egypt, Mecca and Medina, Jerusalem, and all of the Arab dominions, and Yemen, and the sultan and the supreme king of many nations,

I am the son of Sultan Selim Khan and grandson of Sultan Bayezid Khan, and you, King Francis, are the governor of the French province.

http://web.me.com/eroly/Reference_on_the_Turkish_Ottoman_Empire/France .html


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shock shock shock :)

Thanks Southern


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  ♂ Mar 23, 2011, 01:36am  #

I'm Polish and living in Canada. I've met a few Frenchies here right from France. They seemed nice. It appears that the Poles and French have warm ties. Heck, one guy was even a fan of Kieslowski.


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southern:

“I, sultan of sultans, king of kings, the shadow of God who bestows the crown to the monarchs on earth, the supreme ruler of the Mediterranean and Black Seas, the Balkans and Anatolia, Azerbaijan, Damascus and Halep, Egypt, Mecca and Medina, Jerusalem, and all of the Arab dominions, and Yemen, and the sultan and the supreme king of many nations,

That almost sounds like he thought Serbia was part of the middle east...


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 Photos: 1  ♂ Edited by: rock  Mar 23, 2011, 10:26pm  #

PlasticPole,

Nooooo

When he said Black Sea and Balkans it includes today's,

Ukraine (% 30)
Moldova
Romania
Bulgaria
Greece
Macedonia
Kosovo
Serbia
Bosnia & Herzegovina
Montenegro
Croatia (% 40)
Albania
Hungary (%70)

Any comment now?


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 Photos: 1  ♂ Edited by: Crow  Mar 23, 2011, 10:56pm  #

rock:
Ukraine (% 30)
Moldova
Romania
Bulgaria
Greece
Macedonia
Kosovo
Serbia
Bosnia & Herzegovina
Montenegro
Croatia (% 40)
Albania
Hungary (%70)

you forgot to mention Slovakia. That, if we speak of Turkish conquest in Europe. Also, if we speak of medieval Serbia (what is today`s Serbian state), about 60% of Serbian territories was subjugated to the Ottomans and some 40% was annexed by Hungaria and later Austro-Hungaria.

and, don`t forget that territories of what is today`s Kosovo, Macedonia, Bosnia & Herzegovina, Montenegro, most of Croatia and northern Albania, back in time before and in the beginning of Turkish invasion represented Serbian ethnic space and in most cases were parts of medieval Serbian Empire. So, to underline, not some conquered regions but ETHIC SERBIAN SPACE. i mentioned that in order to show here, what Turkish invasion did to Serbs. Still, to be absolutely truthful, those were not only Turks. Actually, Germano (British and French, too)-Turkish schemes reduced Serbian ethnic space and prepared situation for formation of their satellites on formerly Serbian ethnic space.

Later, Yugoslavia was compromise. Serbs agreed to it. But, even that was too much for our enemies.


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 Photos: 1  ♂ Edited by: rock  Mar 23, 2011, 11:15pm  #

Crow:
you forgot to mention Slovakia.


You are right. But just % 10-15 of Slovakia, city Nove Zamky and its close hinterlands.

[quote=Crow]and, don`t forget that territories of what is today`s Kosovo, Macedonia, Bosnia & Herzegovina, Montenegro, most of Croatia and northern Albania, back in time before and in the beginning of Turkish invasion represented Serbian ethnic space and in most cases were parts of medieval Serbian Empire. So, to underline, not some conquered regions but ETHIC SERBIAN SPACE. i mentioned that in order to show here, what Turkish invasion did to Serbs. Still, to be absolutely truthful, those were not only Turks. Actually, Germano (British and French, too)-Turkish schemes reduced Serbian ethnic space and prepared situation for formation of their satellites on formerly Serbian ethnic space.

Later, Yugoslavia was compromise. Serbs agreed to it. But, even that was too much for our enemies[/quote

It is partly true. But as far as I know Hungarian Janos was ruling Belgrad and Turks took the city from him. So will we say that Serbia was HUNGARIAN ETHNIC SPACE. Sure not. It is same for your claim. Serbs might control more parts of ex-yugoslavia teritory in history but this does not mean this territories were ethnic serbian space.

On the other hand, Turkey never support the dissolution of Yugoslavia. USA, Germany, France and England possibly wanted it. It interested Turkey when Serbs started killings in Bosnia.

I am very sure that we were not sharing the evil plans of USA, Germany, France and England.



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 Photos: 1  ♂ Edited by: Crow  Mar 23, 2011, 11:24pm  #

rock:
It is partly true. But as far as I know Hungarian Janos was ruling Belgrad and Turks took the city from him. So will we say that Serbia was HUNGARIAN ETNİC SPACE

you mistaking here. i was clear. i said SERBIAN ETHIC SPACE. Belgrade was part of Serbian ethnic space, part of Serbian lands. After Turkish conquest, in situation when Serbian state was weakened, Hungarian state used opportunity and expanded onto Serbian ethnic space. Noble family of Hunyadi Janos himself, was Serbian in origin. Among Serbs he was known as Sibinjanin Janko.

Speaking in modern proportions, we can say that, for example, you have parts of Polish ethnic space incorporated in German state. Still, being parts of German state does not negate fact that some particular territories belong to Polish ethnic space.

rock:
On the other hand, Turkey never support the dissolution of Yugoslavia. USA, Germany, France and England possibly wanted it.

Turkey worked against Yugoslavia and had crucial role in dissolution of Yugoslav state. While Croatian ustashe played role of German satellite, Bosnian Muslims were Turkish player. Behind Germany was EU (Britain, France, Holland), USA and behind Turkey were Saudi Arabia and Iran.

Yugoslavia as territory was/is split among those powers. Anglo-Franco-Germanic axis from one side and Islamic world on the other side pledge to establish control over the Balkan.

Poland? Russia? Ukraine? Serbia? Nobody asked them and all chaos was orchestrated on Slavic ground and sponsors of chaos were/are non-Slavic powers. All victims and losers were Slavs.

rock:
It interested Turkey when Serbs started killings in Bosnia.

Interesting. While Serbs were being killed and Serbs were victims Turkey didn`t react but when Serbs took initiative and started killings, Turkey arrived to stop Serbs. Is that what you tries to tell me?

rock:
I am very sure that we were not sharing the evil plans of USA, Germany, France and England.

when it comes to Slavs, when it comes to split and control of Slavic territories, when it comes to assimilation of Slavs, when it come to manipulation with Slavs, when it comes to divisions of Slavs... you are all very united and have your specific roles.


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 Photos: 1  ♂ Edited by: rock  Mar 23, 2011, 11:48pm  #

Crow:
ethnic space


This not a valid statement. History proves that territories of all nations changed ( not once but a lot of times ). Most of ethnic people of that territories move to mainlands or lose their ethnic identity or mixed with the new nations ( which means they are not ethnically from former nation).

When you are talking about Serbs you say they are coming from Sarmatians ( BTW there are some theories that some branches of Turks are also Sarmatians) and we all know that Sarmatians were not living in today's Serbia.

So, Serbia is ethnic space of ...... nation. Where are they?. Before that nation maybe another ethnic group was the inhabitants of Serbia.

As a result, which date in history will be taken as referance for the ETHNIC SPACES.


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  ♂ Mar 24, 2011, 02:11am  #

isthatu2:
those damned french gave them a partial independence in 1812,basterds! gave shelter to Polish exiles,what froggy twats eh! nurtured the only 2 Polish people most of the rest of the world has ever heard of(apart from JPII) Chopin and marie wotsits currie



Napoleon wanted a platform from which to launch his attack on Russia and also he wanted to take advantage of the elite Polish soldiers which he considrered the best. Thats why he created a free Poland. Self interest.

Marie SKlodowska just happened to marry a french man. He could have been from anywhere really.
(btw - no kids know about her here in UK. They only know how to do drugs and stab each other)

Chopin was born in Poland - just happened to have a french father who himself lived in Poland since age 16 and faught in the Polish army.

gave shelter to Polish exiles
Most of the free world gave shelter to Polish exiles - mainly USA (Chicago)


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  ♂ Mar 24, 2011, 02:22am  #

Ogorki:
(btw - no kids know about her here in UK. They only know how to do drugs and stab each other)

Bollox, talking out your arse for a cheap joke. One of the biggest and most well known charities (note,to Polish people, Charities,see wikipedea for explanation of what these are.) Is the Marie Currie trust......kids know about her from about 6 or 7 in school.....but hey ho,crack on with the "all brits are thick and all poles are superior" attitude while ,er, over a million poles had to come here to make a life....


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  ♂ Edited by: Moderator  Mar 24, 2011, 02:27am  #

isthatu2:
Bollox, talking out your arse for a cheap joke. One of the biggest and most well known charities (note,to Polish people, Charities,see wikipedea for explanation of what these are.) Is the Marie Currie trust......kids know about her from about 6 or 7 in school.....but hey ho,crack on with the "all brits are thick and all poles are superior" attitude while ,er, over a million poles had to come here to make a life....


I - work - in - schools.


2nd thing is I dont think your English is good enough to detect irony or sarcasam,as,if you actually read what I wrote,instead of reading what you "THINK" I wrote you would see I was pointing out how close historically France and Poland have been.............
bless...........................



but hey ho,crack on with the "all brits are thick and all poles are superior" attitude while
did I say that?



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