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Pok這sie (film on Jedwabne)

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polonius Threads: 115
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  ♂ Nov 15, 2012, 04:37pm  #

Has anyone on PF viewed this film already or heard about it?
It is a feature film based on one of the most controversial episodes in Poland's World War Two history, the Jedwabne massacre of Jews by their Polish neighbours. It was released Friday in the country's cinemas.
http://iphone.france24.com/en/20121109-film-wwii-polish-massacre-jews- opens-poland



ShawnH Threads: 13
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  ♂ Nov 15, 2012, 06:29pm  #

polonius:
or heard about it?

I heard about it.


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  ♂ Nov 15, 2012, 08:08pm  #

I saw it last night. Pretty good.


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  ♂ Nov 15, 2012, 08:36pm  #

Ziutek:
I saw it last night. Pretty good.

Was it balanced? Was it fair? Or was it 'fair and balanced' (either way)?


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  ♂ Nov 15, 2012, 10:13pm  #

Well, it was a work of fiction not a documentary, so it just showed the point of view
of the protagonists. There was nothing very controversial or very much detail about the historical context.


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  ♂ Edited by: Gruffi_Gummi  Nov 16, 2012, 05:24am  #

Harry:
Was it balanced? Was it fair?


Czes豉w Bielecki (a prominent Polish politician, a Jew) has said:

Based on my family's wartime experiences, and on my own 1980's experience as a dissident, the painted picture of these evil and primitive villagers is a highly selective representation of the reality. I feel offended by this film.

Link (in Polish)





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  ♂ Nov 16, 2012, 03:43pm  #

Historian Jan Chodakiewicz alleges that Pok這sie is an attempt to make Poles feel guilty of the Holocaust.
http://niezalezna.pl/34886-nasz-wywiad-chodakiewicz-o-poklosiu


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  ♂ :-( Nov 16, 2012, 03:50pm  #

polonius:
Historian Jan Chodakiewicz alleges that Pok這sie is an attempt to make Poles feel guilty of the Holocaust.


He can allege all he wants, it doesn't make it true.

I bet the vast majority complaining haven't seen it, however.


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  ♂ :-( Edited by: Ironside  Nov 16, 2012, 03:57pm  #

polonius:
the most controversial episodes in Poland's World War Two history, the Jedwabne massacre of Jews by their Polish neighbours

Controversial/ Rather unproven.
polonius:
Historian Jan Chodakiewicz alleges that Pok這sie is an attempt to make Poles feel guilty of the Holocaust.

He may as well be right.


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  ♂ Nov 16, 2012, 03:57pm  #

delphiandomine:
I bet the vast majority complaining haven't seen it, however.

I'd be amazed if more than a handful, at most, of them have actually seen it.


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  ♂ Nov 18, 2012, 08:03am  #

Harry:
Was it balanced? Was it fair? Or was it 'fair and balanced' (either way)?

The viewer is left with the closing scene of murderous Christian Poles crucifying a Jew on a side of a barn. I think that's why they called it a thriller.

If you liked this film, you will most likely love this one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Birth_of_a_Nation

The portrayal of Poles and the blacks is similar in both films.


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  ♂ Nov 24, 2012, 10:19am  #

Here is an excerpt of a private review of the film 'Pok這sie' by a fellow-Polonina. My own asessment is not as negative.

The movie is presented as fiction but also as a follow up on Jedwabne.I read a few reviews and they all seem to agree that Poklosie is even worse than "Neighbors". There are very few good reviews and the public seems to avoid the film. Like the Neighbors first chapter, the script for Poklosie seems to have been written by a Russian intelligence officer and not by Pisakowski. It is a propaganda film in the true Soviet tradition with gory details and mindless malice. You may wonder why the Polish Government with some help from the Russians funded such a film and is now promoting it...
No wonder that Wajda liked this film, since he was the director of the first successful Communist propaganda film "Diamonds and Ashes". In that film the Communist are portrayed as caring and well educated victims of Nazism and the AK as evil Nazi Collaborators full of hate and not caring about people. Wajda's film and Andrzejewski's book on which it was based was commissioned by Jakub Berman the head of UB (Polish clone of NKVD). One might ask who commissioned "Poklosie" and who commissioned Gross's book?


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 Photos: 1   ♂ Nov 24, 2012, 06:10pm  #

You mean you disagree with it. Would you rather the only viewpoint presented was yours?


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  ♂ Dec 20, 2012, 02:59pm  #

Aku Aku
For the benecfit of the non-Polophonic expats this poster wrote:

Pasikowski, Dariusz Jab這雟ki and Maciej Stuhr as well as a few others are making careers for themselves as prostitutes for a certain group of New York Jews (not all Jews, of coruse). It's plain and simple. Like Jerzy Kosi雟ki, later Marian Marzy雟ki (Shtetl) and still later Gros, each of those gentlement has built their career by maligning Poles.

Pasikowski, Dariusz Jab這雟ki i Maciej Stuhr i paru innych robia kariere jako prostytutki pewnej grupy Nowo Yorskich Zydow (bo nie wszystkich Zydow). Proste. Tak jak Jerzy Kosinski wczesniej potem Marian Marzynski (Shtetl) potem Gross. Kazdy z tych panow zrobil kariere produkujac oszczerstwa na temat Polakow.


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  ♂ Dec 21, 2012, 10:21pm  #

polonius:
Pasikowski, Dariusz Jab這雟ki and Maciej Stuhr as well as a few others are making careers for themselves as prostitutes for a certain group of New York Jews (not all Jews, of coruse). It's plain and simple. Like Jerzy Kosi雟ki, later Marian Marzy雟ki (Shtetl) and still later Gros, each of those gentlement has built their career by maligning Poles.


Thank you Polonius.



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