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What proportion of the Polish population collaborated with the Nazis?

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KingAthelstan Threads: 13
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  ♂ Edited by: KingAthelstan  Oct 1, 2011, 11:22pm  #

I know it would be quite low, unlike in neighbouring Lithuania or Western Ukraine where the majority of the populace supported the Nazis.

ps should be in History section



Seanus Threads: 21
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  ♂ Oct 1, 2011, 11:23pm  #

3.1415927%, I think.


southern Threads: 105
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  ♂ Oct 1, 2011, 11:24pm  #

Very small proportion and only in limited tasks as pointing out the Jews.No relation to massive nazi support in France,Denmark,Norway etc.


KingAthelstan Threads: 13
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  ♂ Oct 1, 2011, 11:30pm  #

Norway etc.


The Nazis were very unpopular in Norway, have you not seen the heroes of Telemark?


Polonius3 Threads: 1,284
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  ♂ Oct 1, 2011, 11:32pm  #

Weren't most of the Nazi collaborators Volksdeutsche? The saying 'Tylko ¶winie siedz± w kinie' (only pigs attend cinemas) indicated that even benefiting from the Nazi entertainment media was regarded as reprehensible.


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  ♂ Oct 1, 2011, 11:33pm  #

The Nazis were very unpopular in Norway, have you not seen the heroes of Telemark?

I don't think the Norwegian Premier Vidkun Quisling would have agreed with you.


KingAthelstan Threads: 13
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  ♂ Oct 1, 2011, 11:35pm  #

I don't think the Norwegian Premier Vidkun Quisling would have agreed with you.


He was in a small unpopular minority, anyway I want to know more about Polish collaborators not Norway.


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  ♂ Oct 1, 2011, 11:36pm  #

The Nazis were very unpopular in Norway, have you not seen the heroes of Telemark?


generally yes however
a few of them ended up in SS Wiking
who fought the AK during the Warsaw uprising

the heroes of Telemark were infact trained, equipped and transported in by the SOE


KingAthelstan Threads: 13
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  ♂ Oct 1, 2011, 11:51pm  #

were there any Nazi formed Polish Miltia units or Police like in Lithuania?


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  ♂ Oct 2, 2011, 12:12am  #

were there any Nazi formed Polish Miltia units or Police like in Lithuania?


yeah, however large scale collaboration generally took the form of dobbing in Jewish neighbours

there were about 3 million Poles who conveniently remembered that granny's maiden name had been Schmidt
however this was more a case of making the most out of a bad situation
nevertheless about 200,000 Poles fought for the Germans

Hitler never trusted the Poles as their desertion levels during the first world war had been high


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  ♂ Oct 2, 2011, 02:59am  #

Hitler never trusted the Poles as their desertion levels during the first world war had been high


Source?


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  ♂ Edited by: ShortHairThug  Oct 2, 2011, 03:39am  #

there were about 3 million Poles who conveniently remembered that granny's maiden name had been Schmidt

Which would make them Jewish, don’t you think? What a coincident, that’s exactly the number of Jews living in pre-war Poland. So how many Jews were working for SD as informers who informed Germans on who was a real Jew. How many Jewish Kapos etc.?
nevertheless about 200,000 Poles fought for the Germans

You are way off the mark on that number, the last figures I’ve read there were 90,000 serving in Wehrmacht since they were classified as volksdeutsche because of their mixed heritage. Most of them Silesians and Kaschubs whose classification as a 3rd category on volksliste give them the real choice of either a concentration camp for their entire family or joining the Wehrmacht. There were no Polish volunteers and those that were drafted served in Wehrmacht unlike the Jewish volunteers who freely served in SS. The Karaites (or whatever they were called) for example, a Jewish sect whose members were even allowed to freely practice their religion while serving in the ranks of SS, so much for the myth of Jewish prosecution by the Nazis. The driver of Adolf Eichmann Oberscharführer Polanski was of Jewish origin, so don’t confuse him for a Pole because of his surname. French Jews served in the 33rd Waffen-SS Grenadier Division Charlemagne as volunteers, the Wallonie legion had some Jews serving there too. I remember reading a case about a Hungarian Waffen-SS member who only admitted to be a Jew when he was caught by Americans and faced the execution. Admitting of being a Jew saved his sorry ass by the way. God only knows how many Jews served in regular units and as volunteers it makes them that much more of a collaborators, don’t you think?


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  ♂ Oct 2, 2011, 04:15am  #

nevertheless about 200,000 Poles fought for the Germans

One of them was one of my Uncles. He was caught by the Americans and sat out the war in a POW camp in Oklahoma or so I was told.


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  ♀ Nov 30, 2011, 08:34pm  #

From what I heard from the Polish community in England, my Father included and from talking to Polish people in Poland, the Ukrainians were some of the worst collaborators and Poles that collaborated were few. Im not saying that this is true,its just what was told to me.


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  ♂ Nov 30, 2011, 09:31pm  #

many polish people in silesia and west poland helped the nazi's because most were mixed poland and german.... thats why selisians are looked down in poland as german


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two of my great uncles were SS soldiers. :)


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  ♂ Edited by: BBman  Nov 30, 2011, 10:57pm  #

KingAthelstan:
I know it would be quite low


Very few. Most were silesians.

ShAlEyNsTfOh:
two of my great uncles were SS soldiers. :)


Looks like you're quite proud of your family history. Just curious, how many innocent people do you think they murdered?


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 Photos: 4  ♂ :-( Edited by: ShAlEyNsTfOh  Nov 30, 2011, 11:00pm  #

BBman:
Looks like you're quite proud of your family history. Just curious, how many innocent people do you think they murdered?


I don't think anyone in my family would know considering that they never came back from the war. Oddly enough, I do believe they were jews as well. lol

my grandma kept some small old photographs of them in their SS uniforms, which she gave to my dad before she passed. :(


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  ♂ Edited by: BBman  Nov 30, 2011, 11:03pm  #

ShAlEyNsTfOh:
Oddly enough, I do believe they were jews as well.


Thousands of Jews and half jews served in the german army, from privates to generals.


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  ♂ Dec 1, 2011, 02:03am  #

because if they didn't serve nazi germany they too would of been killed :P


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  ♂ Dec 1, 2011, 02:18am  #

BBman:
Thousands of Jews and half jews served in the german army, from privates to generals.


that's bullshit the only 'Jews' were people with 1 Jewish grandparent or great-gradparent who didn't practise Judaism, real Jews or eve half Jews were forbidden.


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  ♂ Dec 1, 2011, 03:57am  #

King, why do you want to know? Have you created a British nazis thread yet??

To answer your question:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Polish_Nazi_collaborators


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  ♂ Dec 6, 2011, 12:59am  #

southern:
Very small proportion

agreed

KingAthelstan:
The Nazis were very unpopular in Norway, have you not seen the heroes of Telemark?

The movie has nothing to do with THAT, it's also very... weird. But yeah, "Max Manus" would be better to understand Norwegian sentiments better, at least nowadays.

JonnyM:
I don't think the Norwegian Premier Vidkun Quisling would have agreed with you.

What planet are you from?

KingAthelstan:
He was in a small unpopular minority, anyway I want to know more about Polish collaborators not Norway.

He was in an minority among peasants and somebody's

hythorn:
generally yes however
a few of them ended up in SS Wiking

exactly, that's the whole thing really

KingAthelstan:
were there any Nazi formed Polish Miltia units or Police like in Lithuania?

Oh you mean Poles that volunteered? Very very little chance, quite a big shot. Even taking arms from Germans was... negative. Not until the end of the war some far-right groups did take weapons from em. That's actually it. IF you think of organized collaboration


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  ♂ Dec 6, 2011, 09:19am  #

Seanus:
3.1415927%, I think.


Isn't that pi to 7 decimal places percent?


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  ♂ Dec 6, 2011, 09:38am  #

I don't think many true poles would have volunteered for the Nazis. They had fought for Poland for the last 140 years during Prussian, Russian and Austrian partition.
Having seen Camp 1 in O¶wiciem and all the Nazi documents on wiping out the Polish nation, I don't think true poles would help with this.

But!!!

Unless you were alive during the war living in Poland you can't judge anybody for colaborating, you don't know the individual circumstances.


Lyzko   Dec 6, 2011, 02:43pm  #

In fact, Hitler's minions recruited in each of the occupied nations from among the more rabid Jew haters in their ranks, the most egregious being of course, Hungary under the collaborators Admiral Horthy and Szillasi, Romania under Antonescu, the Baltic states (Alfred Rosenberg - Chief ideologue of the Nazi party - was a Baltic German) under various puppet leaders, the Ukraine with their infamous Petlura brigade, and sadly, a great many Poles became accomplices or 'Helfershelfer' in German (literally "helpers' helpers") when Hitler divided up conquered Poland. Had Greiser, Frank and the rest of the Gauleiters been unsuccessful in getting grassroots, local support for their misdeeds, it's safe to say the Shoah might never have happened, at least not at the breakneck speed with which it did-:)

Hitler wasn't alone in turning Poland into a future graveyard for Jews. He had support!


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  ♂ Dec 6, 2011, 03:48pm  #

He wanted Poland as a graveyard for Poles, the underclass and Jews. Why would true Poles want to help with this?

The Systematic Genocide commited by the Nazis would have happened without any help from any occupied country.
The Poles, Belorusians, Germans who opposed the Nazis, Romany, POW's, Handicapped and Homosexuals were all being killed by the Nazis before the final solution began.


Lyzko   Dec 6, 2011, 03:56pm  #

Why? Partly because even though Hitler hated the Slavs in general as 'Untermenschen', he still regarded them as worthy of life, albeit a slave's existence. The same could not be said as regards the Jews. He also relied on the Poles hatred of Jews, after all, they were pious Catholics, much as the Spanish, the Austrians and the French.


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  ♂ Dec 6, 2011, 04:14pm  #

Lyzko:
Why? Partly because even though Hitler hated the Slavs in general as 'Untermenschen', he still regarded them as worthy of life, albeit a slave's existence. The same could not be said as regards the Jews. He also relied on the Poles hatred of Jews, after all, they were pious Catholics, much as the Spanish, the Austrians and the French.


Biased load of rubbish!!

It is well documented that Poles did not hate Jews before WW2. The Nazis target all Poles who were educated and wanted to kill all of them, the Poles were to be destroyed but used as slaves before this.
The "Final Solution" gives the game away. They didn't know what to do with all the Jews in the camps so came up with the idea of using gas to kill them in large numbers.
1943 this started. The Nazis tested using gas on the other prisoners before mass killings started.

6 million Poles of which 3 million were Polish Jews, 6 million jews of which 3 million were Polish Jews. Makes 9 million killed.

Out of the estimated 29 million civilians killed by the Nazis that is only a third!!

It was not just one race of people the Nazis wanted rid of for ever, remember that in all your arguments.


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  ♂ Dec 6, 2011, 04:17pm  #

Lyzko:
after all, they were pious Catholics,

Many still are! What's that got to do with it? Only Jewish religion teaches hatred, segregation etc, besides I don't think the pious Jews were the ones that embraced the communism with such a zeal but the ones who were rather not very religious in the first place or descendants of some sect that practiced blood libel in the old days since we are using stereotypes as the guiding logic. Religious piety equals tolerance, zeal on the other hand , well we can see the results in Israel, don't you?



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