Will Poland become like the UK ?

Where am I defending the 'illegals' as you call it ? i asked some simple, honest questions.

You are making wild accusations and comments, writing information which is incorrect and being quite racist. I welcome anybodys point of view, whether I agree or not but you are just spouting out a lot of information which doesn't appear correct and the only way you know how to debate it is to make personal attacks.



How do you know that ? What is it based on ? Where is your supporting information ?

Go look in Warsaw, those people that were begging from me couldnt speak correct Polish. Secondly when im in uK visiting all the scum that come to me or that i see begging or make the probs are not originally from the UK , you can hear their accents and the way they look . Like is said plz take a walk to Camden town or East london are or Warsaw bus station tell me you is the offenders , the British or the Poles ?

1. Some of them are living in communities that are not transparent and that helps them to commit crimes, in many cases against their compatriots here.
2. there are season criminals among them. They come to steal and return after making a crime. Police fiunds it uneasy to catch them.
3. Although there is a great corruption besides ilegals they manage to corrupt public servants even more. Local authorities and businessmen seem to be interested in foreigners more because they can't use their Human Rights.
But pay attention: I'm not against immigration. I am immigration widening in Russia. The point is that we should use good metodics of immigrants admission.

I would be unable to debate this with you. i am tolerant of all races, creeds, rich or poor.

I always think, there but for the grace of God go I. Which means that I was lucky not to be born in poverty nor in a third world country. Who are we to be judging whether someone is a beggar or not. What would you do if you were starving ?

We're all members of the Human Race. we should remember that sometimes, I think !

OMG , cant u see when someone is a begger ?

You missed the whole point ? Anyway, someone begs, so what ? They must be illegal then, musn't they ?

Internet is absolutely free.
Newspapers are free but most of them require money and now they are going to loose battle with internet mass-media.
TV is more free than in Communist epoch and on the same level it was in 90. In 90 TV was owned be some oligarchs and now it came to different state supervisors. The same liberty as well as its lack.
I noticed some reasons TV freedom is not improved yet but don't pay attention only to the first one:
1. State interfirence.
2. The unexistence of bipartisan political system as in UK. It is only in creation.
3. TV is for millions and it depends upon their ideas. Nobody will be glad to watch marginal dissidents groups and listen to their ideas (Kasianov and Kasparov etc. are smth like British communist party for British people in the 70-80). As to pluralism in general it is still represented on TV (soft nationalists vs. great nationalists). The deficiencies of today TV may appear later, in some 2-3 years when public will feel itself insatisfied.

I never said all beggers are ilegal ! I said the ones iv heard talking and some iv seen are ilegals , plz read my posts before u comment .

yeah kick the ilegals africans out of Poland

Thanks trutheil. That's interesting. The internet has certainly opened up the World to everyone. Especially in China and probably the same in Russia. I've always thought it important to be able to read as many people's views as you can before I decide my own viewpoint on a particular subject. The internet is great for things such as this.

Although the newspapers here are not particularly hindered, you do find people's views can to a large extent depend on which newspaper they read. Not so much television anymore, as it cannot be as biased with the internet freely available.

Our views are also largely based on how we and where we were educated. I would imagine being educated in a communist country would have a direct bearing on some peoples views ?
Not sure how you would view this ? I was educated in Catholic schools and I was affected by that until I started work and eventually started questioning some things I had been indoctrinated with.

I did read your posts........and I felt you inferred they were.

away guy.......I'd like an answer to my question about those stats you mentioned ages ago.

re: i think if people from poland go to uk and other places . in a few years poland will look like what is england now......full of asians ,africans ....and more ,more more more .....then dont complain if you are doing this now

- Well, but you are -at least you allege so - a foreigner yourself, living in the UK. There are scores of folks from your country living there too. I would think there are more of them in the UK than Poles. Isnt it, therefore, well, a bit bigoted on your part to complain about Poles coming to the UK? Who do you think YOU are, espana?
;)

I thought you were not trying to insult my country, but I think you have a couple of times, maybe think about your own country, where ever that maybe before you start attacking other countries.

yes i know but i work hard , for pay my mortgage here , pay my tax etc,,,also i have a house in spain, i dont come here for live in a consul house and cheat like this african and asians who want everything for free. you have to remember that my wife is english and at the moment if she is happy here, (this is the only thing i do care)
then becouse i have to work hard for pay my mortgage , bills ,tax etc, etc is very difficult have kids in this country and what they do this people........have five six seven and more becouse the state of england give some money for each kid ,..(patetic)

for one spanish here you have five english living in spain and i dont care that they are welcome for me like others nationalities..
. have a look why this cheat fuc*(asians and africans) dont go to spain ...just becouse the spanish government are going to give to this people fuc* all
if you want a house ...work for that
if you have a kid ....work for that
so spain is not good to this people.......alelulla!!!!!!

i didnt complain i only say (and we speak about this before) that poland will be like england in five or ten years so i hope you welcome this africans , asians , spanish etc etc ,
i dont say england is a bad place i only hope poland welcome only people who work hard and not cheat like they do here

a bigot!!!!

I dont think you are, you just have your own point of view.

and i m sorry for that !!!!

I think EU acts in a right way if it creates a special Immigration bank and every man outside EU deposits some amount of money. If he violates rules this money will cover his deportation and law-enforcement bodies activities connected with that. If no, he can visit EU mare and more without any visa. Fingerprints internet base is also required.
It is uneasy to understand EU oficials logic. They ignore all new technologies and progressive methods. Only hard works of Consulates abroad and powerless police activities.

The point is that foreigners from out of EU you describe suffer from those who came only to consume social assistance.
The are treeted as if they are like that lumpens. Because public doesn't often try to distinguish immigrants.
It was quite humoristic to listen about Paris immigrant children who put cars into fire. Frenchmen discussed the lack of sympathy towars imigrants the lack of attention that made them criminals. French society is guilty...
But there are many imigrants from the same arab countries who worked hard, achieved middle class status, live away from social residence and have good friends among respectable native Frenchmen. Their children study hard and respect French values and order in the society.
They had the same start. They are the example for the others. And also the accusation.
But nobody in France seemed to mention them. Everybody seemed to discuss victims of social injustice i.e. criminals.

By the way, are there many unconvenient foreigners, lumpens and criminals among those who receivet citizenship following military service in French Foreign Legion or Spanish army or any other EU army. It seems to me that people who payed for his new citizenship by yard military service wille never return to any ethnical community in his new motherland and he is more patriotic and aimed to enter a middle class and marry a native woman.
Do you know anything about that?

re: i dont come here for live in a consul house and cheat like this african and asians who want everything for free

- Wow, espana, I have always thought you are for their coming to and settling in Europe, especially Spain. I remember that when I expressed my compasson for the Spanish, including the Spanish immigration authorites, who must put up with the tremendous arrogance of some of the sneakers-in, especially Arabs, you had an outburst at me and slammed my country - Poland - as an alleged 'mess.' And now you seem not to apprecate those Asiatics and Africans.... What made you change your attitude?

re: a bigot!!!!

- Do you really regard yourself as one? How Socratic of ye.
;)
PS. I'm just kidding. How are you? Always nice to talk to you.

i m fine puzzler thank you!!!
some asian and africans for me are welcome in europe ,but only a few if they are going to work hard and be in pace with the communities.
dont come here and try to change the communities mr asia , and mr africa.

What is your opinion on workers from Ucrania and Belarus now widely involved into housing construction in Spain. Do you consider restrictions of this community should be more or less? Visite a Espana dos veces como turista pero ya hace mucho tiempo. Que pais bonito pero en verano no pude acostumarme al abuso del aire acondicionado y siempre andaba resfriado.

for me is fine , if they are hard workers and good people

ok so is ok for you have 1 millon polish in GB it s not fair what you are saying

I'm sure there are many people of the sort for example in the West Ukraine. They are good workers and their culture is more similar to Spanish one than some from other continents.
But Spain doesn't have such approach to immigration that can permit a separation between those who can work hard and those who come only for parasitism. They all are quolified as illegals, those who work hard are victims os underground business without taxes for Spain and security and human rights for foreigners.
There are still no responsable recruiting companies that can select workers abroad and have registration in colsulates ans supervised by diplomates. There are no strong recruiting bodies that can give quality garantees to Spain and to the foreigners if they are convenient.
Many businessman in Spain are interested in ilegal workers without rights and in their tax free work. And the fact that different supervising state bodies don't notice such violations signify first the corruption on local authorities level and second the fact that Spanish society have many rights but for business and prosperity rightless people are still required.

What is your opinion on mechanism that can make such separation possible?
Cual es en tu opinion el mecanismo que permita elegir precisamente este tipo de mano de obra?