Poland Betrayed in WW2

its not anger Maty its sheer bemusement that so many of your countrymen are able to spout such utter crap

what has happened in your life that enables you to present a fair and rational argument whilst they seem unable to produce anything but complete bollox

what makes you special...?

not that much

in very short and a little vulgarized, this is the story...

they separated England from its native European heritage and then England as `good` cancer spread its influence all over the Britain and further

When I read interantional press half of world dreams about ending Engish - American hegemony. Arabs, Russians, Germans, French, Chinese, whole Latin America. I think that we should consider if we really want to be first line of front (as it was in WWII). Go and read German French Russian forums ... everybody just waits to kick them. I started to change my mind in some issues. I think it would be better for Poland to be more responisble for our achievements after '89

it would be enough to get rid of them

But, i believe that Germans aren`t good example. They both consider themselves as germanics and kin nations. No, they won`t go against each others. Their conflicts thru history were just a hoax, `dust` in the eyes for others.

I know form my expirience that Germans hate American and English people.

Honestly I don't want to get rid of them because I like liberal democracy but I think that Poland can be sold in future ...

atmosphere in Europe changes.

the one wich was unfortunate enouhg not to be an island and wasn't supplied with weapons from americans and great pilots from already defeated nation..

lol,nice one :) (no,i leave that to ,er,others...)
Yes,sorry,I should have said, except a few such as Matyjasz you will not get a reasond etc etc
Keep it up .


well,apart from the roads,wine ,aquaducts........sorry,isnt Life of Brian well known elsewhere?

life sucks huh - no wonder youre all so miserable

Is that kin nations or 'kin nations. Spot the difference, abbreviation fans?
I don't consider myself as 'a Germanic' and I'm English.

yep,you are sectionable arnt you crow,ww1 and ww2 were just pretend wars between our nations,no british or germans ever actually killed each other,it was all a hoax,like the moon landings and the Yeti.....


er...way off buddy,polands airforce was chock full of Czehks in 39 and the US and GB had been supplying poland with weapons since 11/11/18.......

from the perspective of British islands rest of Europe look like one great object for exploitation. Sufferings of European nations (especially Slavic) is absolutely unknown to you.

I don`t know for Yeti but, collaboration between Hitler and magnates of Britain and USA is well known fact

come on crow, the world is our oyster after all

fek off back to your hole.what the hell do you know,sat in some bunker in belgrade planning mass murder and ethnic cleansing.No serb is going to lecture me on suffering,you lot are the last ones to cause death and destruction to slavs.

no serb has a right to tell you, isthatu that's a little racist. just a lttle.

Also you can't be comparing the exploitation and suffering caused by Britain that is much higher then anything the Serbs have done. Except Serbs is a little more recent.

Crow means that you were never invaded in the last 1000 years due to sea barrier.

well why didnt he just say that? as crow knows serbs were the last people to slaughter slavs on an industrial scale.


whatever kid,no serb who supports what his country did in the past years has any right to a moral superiority.end of.

He doesn't support it, I just think he doesn't believe it. there is a difference.

and Poland have seen everything Nazists, Commies, Holocaust, up rises, nationalists everything it is graveyard . We had everything here. I would call our capital "War show"

so,holocaust denials ok as long as you dont say the nazis were right?......

Cant agree more,your country has been the whipping boy of the 20th century,Britain suffered in the last war,but not near the scale Poland or indeed most of eastern europe(please no semantic arguments..east/central...you know what i mean..) did,this doesnt mean some serb who wants to see albanians beheaded can lecture me.as Im sure you will agree lukasz.Peace out.

1/2 has been, Holocaust people say it Jewish victims, they forget the other half. I hate the word, "Holocaust" because it has always ignored the real victims, "Polish".

I didn't say its ok, I was just explaining his thinking because you seemed confused. Anyway Serbia was like Israel in the sense they were being attacked by muslims. They retaliated by genocide(took it the extreme) Over the top self defense. Not right but understandable. Not condoning it but condeming it. On the otherhand no one attacked Germany, they started the war. Their is a difference.

Read posts of Crow they are ready to kill just wait for moment when so called "west" will leave region.


agree

I hope this century will be better but honestly last was horrible.

... and the rest.

Lukasz I agree, crow is over the top. Don't agree with his views. But hey at least he loves Poland. Got to like him for that.

No buddy,"Serbia" was never attacked by "muslims", Serbia proper never had a single enemy fighter set foot on its soil.this whole " Muslim" thing has only come into the equasion post 9/11.

Do not take half a sentence and mis quote me. Maybe in your eyes it ignores "real" victims...not sure what that means though,as jewish people call it the Shoah.the Holocaust has for many years included all the victims,catholic/jewish Poles,Gypsies,Gays,Jeahovahs(duck,a rock...) witnesses Commisars etc etc. only fools think otherwise. (yes,stick that in your pipe carol,the first victims of the "final solotion" were Russian soldiers and poitical commisars)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_Liberation_Army

Isthatu read this wiki entry. The attacks on the Serbs started before the Genocide of muslims. Then Osama decided to join the fight and help the KLA, if he already wasn't helping from the start. The serbs were defending themselves but took it to the extreme. They did not recognize the distinction between KLA and muslims. They wrongly used collective punishment.

Also you can't blame Crow for hijacking threads. His country is about to be divided. Kosovo which has been the cultural heartland since the middle ages and nobody seems to care or even discuss it.

you have a point matt. Crow and I were discussing in another thread about
Ancient history, really, everyones version is going to be different.. its how
they seen it at the time..

you know history has to be discussed.. its going to be wether we want to or not
people want to know. or at least get somewhat of a better picture..

I understand what bubba is saying when he speaks about sterotypes..
because its the same with other nationalities that dwell in the past. to which
I wont mention ( thats a whole nother issue) but at the same time, its hard to not
discuss it, people keep saying we did this, you did this, and they did that..

but, this was much worse then anything weve ever experienced in our civilized
world as we know it.. people say get over it, but thats not reaching into the compassionite side of yourself.. and saying, well, I have to just let this go.

yes, we are in a war right now, but, its nothing like what happened then, and
war is horrible in any way you look at it, now and then..

there is now sterotypes against Americans, even though some know us very
well. our country is still the BAD GUY and I am sure it creates Problems NOW>
what can we do about it?? well. lets see, how about we try to understand better
each others countries for one.. try to come together on a certain level, instead of
heated battles..

theres never going to be happy medium until we all find a way to agree on history
and the present.. we cant all see it one way.

Bubba, you came to America.. did you see anything that would make you think
we are heathens?
we are sterotyped by all of the world for our war on terror..

Patrycja good post, I agree with everything that's been said. Just like to add theres a difference between holding on to the past and discussing it. It safe to say Poland has moved on. We have friendly relations with all our allies from WW2. This is why its safe and appropriate to discuss this topic without anyone being offended. If they are then they are the ones who have not moved on.

I have a little problem with that being an alleged "fact". Commies were a lot of bad things but they did have pretty good sense of propaganda. If they claimed that Poland was sold (and thus ended up being under the great rule of the Soviet saviors) then the selling was actually a good thing to the commies, wasn't it? If the allies did not sell Poland then Poland might not have been under the majestic and live-giving rays of the sun named Stalin.

so poland wasn't betrayed in your opinion? there was no treaty? is that what you're saying?