Poland Betrayed in WW2

America didnt sell Poland...I cant believe anyone would believe that under all
the circumstances we ended up there to help. and we bombed out germany too
did we sell them to stalin?

France was in some trouble, did the US come along and sell them too?

roosevelt didn't give up on PL? give us to the commies? are you shitting me?

Patrycja read the wiki entry Yalta betrayal. Theres a link to it in the first several posts.

Actually, while Churchill made some half hearted attempts to convince Roosevelt to be a bit tougher in regards to the Polish question Roosevelt brushed him off repeatedly. At times Roosevelt went as far as mocking Churchill in front of Stalin (in Yalta) and he definitely did not have any help for Poland in mind. Not even when he was posing with Polish-Americans before 1944 elections. For the photo-op Roosevelt requested a map of Poland with the 1939 borders. Those borders, Roosevelt knew very well, had nothing to do with what he, Churchill and Stalin agreed to. But hey, there were about 6 million Polish votes at stake and the photo-op trick worked.

Did the US sell Poland? I dunno. Poland and US had no treadty before WW2, and then it all may be a question of semantics, but the American government certainly lied to Poles during WW2. Call it betrayal, call it lack of honor, call it unreliable ally. Up to you.

i didnt say that.. I said we didnt sell poland, he might have feked up and gave poland
to someone ( not fully realizing what was about to happen) or maybe he did
who knows. I dont believe the selling part ..

if they mean sell out in a different sense .. but thats not how I took it.

ok guys, I read the Yalta conference, where roosevelt and churchill wanted democratic
govt and stalin wanted soviet rule.. and of course stalin didnt honor his part of
the bargain. thats also on WIKI..

If I recall USA wanted to help Poland, Churchill was the one to finally say, something to the effect I'm not going to upset "Uncle Joe" anymore. This was in 44 when USA wanted to use airfield in Russia to help Poland. Now if Churchill is telling USA they are out of it,this leaves USA, who also stopped trying to talk Stalin into landing there. Instead they dropped a few bombs.



USA did not gain anything by Stalins actions that I am aware of.

Sorry to tell you but you got it wrong. Churchill had little to say. England after all was but a paper tiger during WW2 and without USA's aid it could have perhaps stayed out of conflict with the Nazis for some time or forever, but they stood no chances to fight them on the Continent. They simply had no resources. It was Roosevelt who practically gave Poland away (yes, for free as the US did not benefit from it) and even Stalin seemed surprised that it was so easy (in Yalta). If there was any attempt to save Poland, and to keep one's honor it was on the part of Churchill. Roosevelt's only purpose after 1940 elections was to be elected in 1944. In fact he was a pretty mediocre politician to say the least.



Jokes are OK in this thread but, c'mon, by 1940's the US and the English had few reasons to believe in Stalin's goodness of heart.

well done darius

and of course stalin didnt honor his part of
the bargain. [/quote]

when you say you know someone, do you really know them? have you ever
experienced deciet by one of your best friends? all they could do was trust that
stalin would hold up to his end..yet
stalin was not our best friend.. he wasnt anyone's best friend.. but you give someone
a inch they take a mile.. it does make more sense to have someone who lives in
a neighboring country to run their govt VS across seas.. and also conflict of interest
where other countries are concerned.. why would we keep poland to begin with?

its funny how much flack you get when you dont do something and when you do
something, you still get the flack.. never a winning situation either way..

In the case of Stalin, yes. If you know the man is a monster then there should be more reasons than a smile in Yalta to believe otherwise.


Stalin wasn't given an inch. He was given a mile.


Perhaps becuase that's what Poles fighting alongside the Western Allies were told? Or perhaps because that's what 6 million Polish voters were told before 1944 US elections? By now we all got used to the fact that election promises are just that, and that honor is a concept foreign to most politicians.

Roosevelt a mediocre politician?Do you have the slightest idea of his achievements?

Patrycja your missing the obvious point Poland could of governed themselves their was no need to let Stalin incorporate it. Western Europe was free why could Poland not be also.

Western Europe was not free.It was under german occupation when Poland's fate was decided.

you are right, they should have, we cant change the past now though, we cant
take it back, its done, the wall was taken down..



well we dont know, we dont know what they were thinking back then
and can only go by what is told.. stalin was a monster, but at the time we all
fought to stop hitler.. die or live under commie rule. well guess I will live under
commie rule.. stalin was greedy but hitler was deadly..

Nazis were defeated, Hitler dead their was no need to appease Stalin anymore. Except not to start a war with Stalin which I doubt he would win with the lives andr esourses Russia spent fighting hitler.

I know what your saying Poland got sold out for the so called greater good.

hmmm where have I heard that before.

When Poland's fate was decided in 1943 Europe was under axis control.

What would you cal HIS achievements?



But we know what they knew about Stalin



You really need to read up on Stalin's crime. Greed was not in the least the main one.

New Deal.

Why do you keep repeating this lie? I've picked you up on it before but you keep on lying.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/24/cp.01.html

Now stop with the lies.



Don't you mean "by Serbs"?

The benefits/flaws of the New Deal are still debatable in regards ot the Great Depression.

What a surprise?? To find Harry making arrogant snidey personal remarks, and to find him dwelling on the subjects of betrayal and Rape?? Attacking the fairer sex is one of your favourite passtimes isn't it??

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I do not think they are debatable for the people who found jobs and enjoyed the benefits of economic growth.

joo hoo I don't know what harry did

but in this case he is right

Whatever English or Americans did,Poland would fall in soviet hands.There was no way to avoid it.

What's debatable is whether they would have found those jobs sooner.

joo hoo I don't know what harry did

but in this case he is right

youre repeating yourself mattuska

Im on my phone so its messed up something with my loading numb nuts. thanks for being so observent.

Southern maybe your right, maybe not. We will never know. However I think if Roosevelt and Churchill both were adament about Poland, Stalin would have relented.

Of course he is!! Check out his posts....personal and unprovoked attacks...males who behave like that are ALWAYS right! And I know that the best way to deal with this would be to email the guy and let him know that he's upsetting me...so I did! And guess what?? The personal unprovoked attacks continue, and the guy hasn't even got the courtesy or the heart to respond to my email...which is why I looked for him under the headings of "war" "betrayal" and "rape"...and BINGO! there he was! Personally attacking others.......

joo hoo you can't let him get to you, that's number one

number two is that he's right about what happened between Roosevelt and Churchill when discussing Poland. It has nothing to do with his personality. If he told you the earth is round, would he not be right even though you think he's a JackaVs