celinski wrote:
Well lets start with the whole truth, I am not taking "Nazi" here, I am referring to "Soviet". This was not as told in history books across the nation, Poland included, a "Jewish Holocaust", this was directed at "Polish". How many victim's were Greek/Roman Catholic? How many were victim's of "Stalin's"? Where did "Stalin" start killing off the "Polish in eastern Poland"?
Enough with the lie's about history. We have a choice here, include the "Polish victims of Stalin" in the "Holocaust" or name the ones silenced by a nation. Millions of people were killed, slaved, exiled from our country. You can't comprehend we have a right to be added. I am not just speaking of "Katyn" I am speaking Poland's military reserve and their families. Poland's hero's that fought on the front line to free Poland in 1920. Then once more when they recieved amnesty they were your "Ander's Army". In the end to be betrayed and loose the country they fought for. Now today when Poland is free you say, why talk about it? Is this how you respect your hero's.
you've just proven my point, your talking history again, i'm not saying this happened or this didn't happen, lol, its nothing to do with what i mean. What happened, happened if you see what i mean, you can't change it and if a few commy SOB's want to deny it then let them because i'm sure everybody else knows it happened and who was responsible for it.
I also understand that Poland and Polish people were the victims sort out by the Nazi's, Soviets etc etc but this goes back to my original point, move on. Poland is not going through that now its a free country with the capabilities to do what it wants when it pleases.
Ozi Dan wrote:
You're quite right, but the question can also be asked why do non Poles come on this forum and censure those who wish to discuss matters that are intrinsically Polish, albeit historical. If it offends your sensibilities and makes you upset that we're dragging Poland down, then sorry, but you should grow a harder shell. I take your point about the modern generation needing to move on, but do you honestly think that a young, native Pole seeing these posts would seriously feel as though they were being held back in their lives by virtue of the topic being discussed?
yes i am a non pole as you so correctly stated, yes i am coming on here advising you to stop talking about something that happened to the polish and didn't happen to me (british) fair point. I'm not instructing i'm mearly explaining why i think it would be better to move on instead of drown yourself, others and Poland in this misery again and again and again. Its like going round in circles and not getting anywhere.
Ozi Dan wrote:
Would you clarify what you mean by negative effect?
well put it this way all the mumble grumble about such subjects must be bigger ten fold in poland than on this forum. I'm a young British person and i don't want to keep hearing about losses here and nazi's there. People dying, land being stripped, yes i would like to learn about it, however i want to hear the good things about my country. It isn't the negative affect as such but it can create a negative mindset, maybe as an example here, the reason that people sometimes feel the Polish are so defensive about anything and untrusting. Well you know what if all i heard my family talking about was this sort of stuff i think i'd be pretty paranoid too.
Finally do i think it should be discussed, yes of course, there is a time and a place to do that. Yes the time and place is on this forum, however just going round and round in circles helps nobody and especially yourselves.
I know i can't tell you all the details of what your talking about and i know i'm not Polish and i know i can't tell you what to do. I'm not doing that, it's just simply my point of view that people should be positive and not negative and by continually talking about 'polish victims' this and 'Poland betrayed' that, negativity seems to be on the mind of most.
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