Poland biggest problem

a very remarkable post from bartek 212...

Exactly! But humans still need a faith in someone or something to survive as true human beings. And that not gonna be money!
Poland's, every Pole's and everyone else's biggest problem is to find a faith more convincing, more lasting and more universal than the current religions.

Michal,

You seem to have some allies on this thread. That must be a first.

rocks !!!!

I believe boredom comes from within. You don't get bored if you can involve yourself in things that are available to you. I would now count on other people to entertain you all your life... That's dependance on the external world to define your personality.

Yeah, you can go to a psychologist and get a pricey therapy if you have qualms... He/she will also give you an absolution for whatever it is that you do...

About Church and religion - Catholic Church is having some problems, but is not because the Catholic religion is wrong, but because too many people become priests for reasons other than faith and service to God and people. Those people however come from within the society, so what does it tell you about the nation, you and me?
That's rather a sad reality, but what do we do to change it? All we can do it criticize prists, which does not make you, me and our children any better, does it.

First change yourself, and then go on a mission to change the world!

Are they really that great? Have you lived there? I have heard great numbers of Japanese and Scandinavians commit suicides! From all the happiness I guess...

is one thing been great is another . How many Japanese or Scadinavians you see going to the UK to make beds ???

they don't have to make beds because they go underground ;))

what you talking about

In my view, the biggest problem in Poland is Polish people's mentality, and it has nothing to do with religion, politics, etc, but it sure reflects on those areas as well.
Polish mentality kills initiative and creativity in the country. Poles are just vicious to one another, especially a neighbor to a neighbor. We are all nice and polite to foreigners, but do everything to spite one another in our own backyards. It's just a major lack of kindness and consideration to others.

When one Pole wants to be more than average, everybody else is not only doing nothing to help, but they do everything they can to prevent that one person from succeeding. If you live in a village and get more education that the average Joe, you are treated like an outsider, of course laughed behind your back, from pure jealousy. People who live in Warsaw hate people who live in Krakow, people who live in Gdansk hate people from Warsaw, etc. We like to have enemies and when the war is over, we fight with one another. Maybe that’s why Poles always do so well in wars (?)

This is not to say that people in Poland aren’t creative and smart, but they often can develop their creativity only away from the country and other Poles.


Polish biggest problem - lack of unity and lack of responsibilty for fellow countrymen

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go under ground : get buried

you should see Americans who live on credit all their lives...

maybe Polish biggest problem is homophobia - I heard on the news.

Since Poles seems to support family, they are called homophobic.... Does one mean the other?

You are absolutely richer than Somalia, Ethiopia; your GDP per head is double more than China. It is insensible to compare yourselves now with West Western Europe (which is about 30 years economically advanced). By continuing lamenting for the next 30 years, you guarantee yourselves a lifetime of misery.


How on earth the world deign to care upon you if you can so callously dismiss the poor and the unlucky while salivating after the opposite?
It is an eternal curse for Poles to put yourselves into a hierarchy!


You are right this one. Some (or most) Poles must get rid of xenophobia, either in the form of malicious envy towards richer countries, or in the form of racist disdain towards the poorer. But this applies to all countries and all humans too.



This is both a pathetic and an enlightening statement. The life of the poor is always boring. If you are rich, the path to excitement is almost limitless: The excitement of material possessions (car, yatch, sea, roads...), The excitement of connection (social network, personalities, good-looking companions...) and the excitement of culture (learning, art, great music...). With the exception of being incurably stupid 'or' idealistic' (you know I would like to link two of them together since the rich education is now so perfert, the chance for the former only is almost impossible), the life of the rich (and rich countries) are assured to be rosy as long as they live.
As you all know, things are completely contrary to the humbler part of mankind. The lacking of everything the rich enjoy above contributes to the poor's life 'the vicious circle of Boredom'. There is no horrible an inequality between two different kinds of humans than when one have plenty of enjoyment but find no time for all of them and the other either having no time for any enjoyment (because they have to work their balls so hard) or worst of all, they have plenty of freetime but are materially and culturally denied access to enjoyment. In Asia or Africa, at least the tie in family and clan lessens this boredom, but in the individuallist Europe (particularlly Eastern Europe), the dull solitude of the poor is absolute and excruciating.
I think there are three cures for this dreadful dullness (and depression). First is to break away from the effect of consumerism, which equates possession with happiness and excitement. This false ideology thinks that it can push up productivity but actually it only helps to shore up human greed and thus endless mechanical competition between humans (for endlessly produced mechanical goods). In the end, It will always condemn a significant portion of humankind to frustration and unhappiness.
The second cure is music and sport. The right music and the right sport guarantee in ourselves the wholesomeness of our spirit and our body. Both (especially music) offer the exhilaration that is normally beyond our means. Contrary to popular myth, music is easy to learn and easier to listen if one can appreciate that the reward is tremendous (The idea of great music to be extremely relevant today will be elaborated in an article soon). Meanwhile, Some of the most healthy sports out there are simple accessible beyond description (like running or even football)! If the boring poor want to improve their lot (physically, spiritually and even economically), there is no simpler and nobler way to do than to take on music and sport.
The third cure is to rediscover and affirm your universal, national and unique identity. "How?" is the question each of us has to find the answer by ourselves. I just hope it would be as soon as possible.

I have to disagree on that. I took care of children who had everything they could ever want (except for traveling to the moon) and they were always bored.

I would think boredom comes from lack of creativity...

Exactly, the poor is boring because they are materially and culturally denied access to creativity.

In Poland, education is largely free, and there are public libraries, so I am not sure how that applied there. There is hardly slavery anywhere anymore in the world..

In fact the guys who found Poland boring is not Polish, I think. So I see foreigners find Poland boring, but Poles are not complaining much or are they. If they are bored, they drink... ;))

How do you explain the bored children of rich people...?

That is the effect of consumerism. People become more concerned with fast car, cool gadgets... and consider the lack of them with more distress than their ability to participate in arts or other human activities. And Poland is not rich enough for citizens to participate in expensive hi-tech creativity.


With them, things are very complicated, but first, Please, read my post carefully:


The bored rich kids are the products of either stringently authoritarian families (against their rebelious nature) or the current satiation of enjoyments or simply they themselves have some psychological problems (that may be high-minded or simply downright sick). But in the end, most of them will cope with their own favorable situation, become more sophisticated and are able to enjoy more that life has to offer. Their elite education system know exactly how instill in them the purpose for life. That's why you will see that the rich and the rich countries are always rich and healthy (History is not a good retort here because of the presence of advanced education).
The bored poor kids have a thousand times more a chance to become the bored poor adults than the bored rich kids to be bored rich adults!

that's the thing, I never met one that would be a poor and bored kid at the same time, but it does not mean there aren't any


oftentimes end up badly or maybe it's just the media that spreads the bad and depressing news faster than good and uplifting news...

once again. that Giertych fellow

What did the Giertych fellow do to you or to Poland? You seem not too like him too much?

By the way, I am not up to date with Polish rising "stars." Who is he? I guess I can find it on the Internet...

Warsaw IS RATHER boring by nature.

Krakow, Olsztyn, Wroclaw aren't

BTW: I live in warsaw

"In my day it was always Churchill who was responsible for the Russians or the weather! "

Actually wasn't it Churchhill who wanted to keep going during ww2 and the USA didn't? The USA and Russia made a deal before it ended.
Religion - sometimes I think it was the only freedom many poles had during Communism, but its been practiced for hundreds of years so I came to the conclusion that Poles are honest people who seek an honest life. Righteousness. Spirtual living.

I think alcohol and joblessness plays a role. All major industries where sold off and many who have ambition, leave Poland. My 2 zoty !!
Corruption is something else I've heard repeatedly.
But being hard workers, it would make for a great place to send factories. Isn't it why EU is in place, and Frence workers didn't like it because Poles are taking jobs away?

He condones the beating-up of gay people and his group's members thrwe acid on gay pride marchers

Can we also ban them from going to Croatia and using the nudest beaches :)



Same for anyone in Europe going to the US - Bart you seem a little bit peeved about your country for you own personal reasons but I think positive thinking and working towards a better future is the way to go, Like Matyjasz said, you have only had short period of time to clean up many years of mess, Rome wasn't built in a day :)

I dont think this is true. Poles do have strong sense of compassion and humanity for their people. Dont know if this is because Polish Catholic Church or something else.

Maybe its not the biggest, but one of the biggest problems for sure. Young polish people are generally so dumb that i feel ashamed sometimes. They are going to another countries and think how "cool" they are cuz of it. It makes me sick. In fact they dont even study, just go and work there as some cleaners or servants. Clean british or irish asses. Sad.

so you've changed your mind about going to UK or Ireland to work?