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Ronek
  Nov 18, 07, 04:32  #31

Everyone! Please just **** off from the Polish army guys who fight over at Afganistan and Iraq.

You musnt forget that its war over there and some actions and deeds commited over there cannot be judged my the logic of a man who never been there. Life's different over there - the end, nothing more to comment.

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BubbaWoo
  Nov 18, 07, 04:38  #32

thats the attitude that opens the door and welcomes atrocity

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Ronek
  Nov 18, 07, 05:29  #33

Well if there are soldiers who were openly cruel and broke any sort of agreements by treating civilians like garbage - then fine, hang them.

But in most situations those soldiers are charged with shooting a civilian during a fire fight or with missconduct while treating an enemy combatant.

and both of those are moronic!

In my opinion if any civilian gets shoot by allied troops its mainly the fault of the enemy combatants who do not follow any sort of agreements when it comes to combatant uniforms. They dress as civilians and hide in the crowds. So pardon our troppers who are over there if in the middle of a fight they misstake a civilian for a enemy combatant.
Guys over there are already very stressed and can loose their life on daily baisis so they may sometimes act very hasty!

As for misstreating enemy combatants.... well they dont wear uniforms so they denny any sort of right to themselves.

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Crow
Edited by: Crow  Nov 18, 07, 05:51  #34

Regarding situation in Afganistan and Iraq, i personaly and Serbian public in general are happy because Polish soldiers are in Kosovo-Metohija. Without them, those Serbs who are still there would be killed and expeled in 24 hours and those Serbian Churches that still exist on Kosovo would be quickly demolished as many our Churches already.

So, i don`t know for Afganistan and Iraq but on Kosovo, Poles (togather with Ukrainians and Slovaks) are true soldiers of Mother Slavia and our lord Jesus Christ.

Thanks Poles, our thanks to sons of Poland

BDW, region where are currently positioned Polish soldiers are just about 100 km far from Ras- region where Serbs/Racowie gusari (husari) were once recruited to defend Polish land from Teutons. [you would found data about it in Polish encyclopedia]

So, you see, Poles are practicly at their home, hire in Serbia, near Ras and Kosovo and stupid NATO and Albanian leaders believe that they could use Poles for creation of Greater Albania.

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Crow
Edited by: Crow  Feb 8, 08, 11:11  #35

Serbian comment on this idiotism... [i thought that Sikirski has perspective as politician. I was deluded, obviously]

Poland warning over Nato troops

Tuesday, 5 February 2008, 05:08 GMT
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7227663.stm

Radoslaw Sikorski said he would commit Polish troops and helicopters to assist Canadian soldiers in Afghanistan.

correction

Canadians and others of so called west don`t need polish support but Polish cannon fodders

He offered strong support to Canada in its bid to have more Nato troops to be sent to Kandahar in the restive south of the country.

Mr. Sikorski! You batter urge polish parliament to send more troops on Kosovo in order to help to Serbs do defend suveregnuty of their country. When Germany finish with Serbs, you would see them on the polish borders. But, Mr. Sikorski you know that. You have account in Switzerland or maybe even in Berlin, Washington possibly?

But he said it was unacceptable that a gap in Nato's ability to send troops there had been created by some members unwillingness to do so.

unacceptable is only that Sikorski want`s more dead Poles in his generosity to be good allay partner to evil alliance

"More needs to be done, the burdens have to be shared more fairly and there's no room for free riding in this most important of operations that Nato has ever undertaken," Mr Sikorski said.

liar! or idiot maybe

most important NATO operations are on the Balkan where NATO expect directly to confront Russia, these days, to prevent that Russia defend Serbian sovereignty. On Kosovo, if we were to wait on Mr. Sikorski, we would see Poland Vs. Poland.

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isthatu
  Feb 8, 08, 17:04  #36

Crow wrote:
most important NATO operations are on the Balkan where NATO expect directly to confront Russia,

yer off yer frikkin rocker crow,seriously certifiable mate.
Crow wrote:
On Kosovo, if we were to wait on Mr. Sikorski, we would see Poland Vs. Poland.

yer a loon,you think Poand is going to erupt into civil war because Kossovo gains independence,yer barmy mate.Polands a civilised country,unlike some I could mention in south eastern so called europe.
Crow wrote:
Canadians and others of so called west don`t need polish support but Polish cannon fodders

so what your saying is,you think Poland has sh*t soldiers who cant fight and defend themselves?Muppet,The "so called" west thinks the Poles are the Dogs Danglies,thats why they want them rather than being lumbered with certain other countries rather **** poor forces that darnt even go out at night***cough cough Germany cough cough***(the people you seem terrified that will crush heroic serb brates.....Is there such a thing as Care in the Community in Belgrade? Trust me mate,you want to check in and get your meds' reviewed....

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Filios1
  Feb 8, 08, 17:13  #37

Pretty good responses on this issue, ishatu.

Crow, you seem to be too enveloped in Serbia and the Kossovo issue at hand, than to see the greater picture and the mission in Afghanistan. Poland in this case is right in assisting in Afghanistan the Canadian troops. Canadians were very brave in managing a whole area of Afghanistan alone, and sustained heavy losses.

It is not as much NATO as Canada, in this case. Poland has always helped her allies, this will not change. I am sure that the Germans will not invade you while they are gone..

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Crow
Edited by: Crow  Feb 8, 08, 17:59  #38

isthatu wrote:
Poland Vs. Poland.

yer a loon,you think Poand is going to erupt into civil war because Kossovo gains independence,yer barmy mate.Polands a civilised country,unlike some I could mention in south eastern so called europe.

no. I was point on fact that Poles and Serbs are in fact one.

I really can`t imagine that polish soldiers try to stop return of Serbian army on Kosovo. What would those soldiers tell to their children, maybe... ``well, children, Racowie survived even Turks but Poland needed to be in NATO and we needed to screw Racowie and we did it for the higher goal. Now, future of polish children is secured because Poland would get a lot of money for we screw Racowie for Germans and for Greater Albania. Mujaheedines would sing about glory of Poland.``

I can`t imagine even metaphysical consequences of possible tragic brotherly conflict on Kosovo. But, Germany, Britain, France and USA would work in that dirrection. They need that for final disaster of Slavdom. Hopefully, they miscalculates

Filios1 wrote:
Poland has always helped her allies, this will not change.

so, NATO will collapse?

Filios1 wrote:
I am sure that the Germans will not invade you while they are gone..

Albanians seam say 17 February is day D

Serbs on the streets are too silent these days, too silent... while state institutions shake under pressure of EU. Government could collapse, Serbs could start to return on Kosovo at any moment if Albanians try anything violent

Rumors say that Russian and Ukrainian Cossacks are already on the South, that Serbs aren`t alone. Somebody mentioned Tzar`s wolves, among others

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Filios1
Edited by: Filios1  Feb 8, 08, 18:23  #39

Crow wrote:
Rumors say that Russian and Ukrainian Cossacks are already on the South, that Serbs aren`t alone


Crow, Poles are better friends to you than Russians. Poland has good intentions in helping her friend, Serbia and the greater Slavic cause.

If it comes to that, that barbaric Muslims from the south begin to trouble the Serbians, true slavs, and Serbs stay quiet, I will myself travel there and help in your conflict. Do not worry Crow, everything will be o.k.

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isthatu
  Feb 8, 08, 18:35  #40

Crow wrote:
I really can`t imagine that polish soldiers try to stop return of Serbian army on Kosovo. What would those soldiers tell to their children, maybe... ``well, children,

...well children,we prevented more srebrinica/katyn type massacres and upheld the rule of law preventing a band of serbian soldiers invading yet another country and once again destabilising south eastern europe and producing even more refugee's ......
Crow wrote:
Britain, France and USA would work in that dirrection. They need that for final disaster of Slavdom. Hopefully, they miscalculates

the men in white coats are coming......What on earth do you think Britain has to gain in seeking some sort of collapse of Slavdem? Your,Im sorry to say,absolutly bonkers,did a Nato bomb go off to close to your brain box maybe,knock a few wires loose?If so well maybe your irationality is something to be pitied not mocked....

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Crow
  Feb 8, 08, 18:56  #41

isthatu wrote:
..well children,we prevented more srebrinica ... type massacres

You think ... to prevent decapitation of heads of Serbs by Muslims, killings of more then 3000 Serbian civilians by worse mujaheedine scum in front of NATO soldiers from Holland who were mujaheedine logistics (and later ironically they accused Serbs that their government collapsed because of Serbian crimes)


isthatu

What you know about Srebrenica, Brit one? That mean anything to you. Even word Srebrenica is Serbian and both- Bosnian Muslims and Bosnian Christians are Serbians. It`s absolutely bloody tragic brotherly conflict which happened because of interests of hostile foreigners who instrumentalizaed OUR Muslims. You Brits drink blood of both of us- Serbian Christians and Muslims. Greedy Brits don`t care. They helping us that we batter destroy each others. What you know Brit about sufferings of divided and scattered nation? Divided because of British interests among else.

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rafik
  Feb 8, 08, 19:02  #42

Prosecutor Karol Frankowski said the killings, which took place in August, were not accidental and did not happen in response to any life endangering situation.

how the hell does he know it?soldiers are send to war zones to kill.this situations are not just black and white.sometimes it's just a matter of seconds to decide to kill or to be killed.in strange countries like afganistan even women or teens can carry and use guns.i could understand if someone was killed in a jail but outside?these soldiers should be freed unless they ambushed these people,searched,found nothing and killed.

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BubbaWoo
  Feb 8, 08, 19:06  #43

rafik wrote:
how the hell does he know it?


i would imagine, as in most cases, that the prosecution looked at the evidence and built their case

rafik wrote:
these soldiers should be freed unless they ambushed these people,searched,found nothing and killed.


isnt that pretty much what they are accused of doing...?

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isthatu
  Feb 8, 08, 19:13  #44

Crow wrote:
What you know about Srebrenica, Brit one?

that your serb heros lined up boys as young as 13 and shot them in the back of the head for a start...sicko.
Crow wrote:
What you know Brit about sufferings of divided and scattered nation?

your a fekin nutjob,Im half irish,i know plenty about divided nations,even in the bloodiest years of the irish struggles nothing compared to the savegry shown by your countrymen towards men women and children.

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rafik
Edited by: rafik  Feb 8, 08, 19:53  #45

BubbaWoo wrote:
i would imagine, as in most cases, that the prosecution looked at the evidence and built their case

and obviously they are always right...
BubbaWoo wrote:
isnt that pretty much what they are accused of doing...?

a mine planted in the road in/next a village damaged 2 army vehicles.a few people have been sent to this place.they said that they have been shot at.they shot back using a machine gun and mortar.still,the prosecutor belives that they lie about the shooting.he is almost sure that these guys are guilty.why?this is wrong.
i can't remember any of the american "cowboys"pilots being prosecuted for mistakenly or not bombing civilians or even journalists driving marked cars(one of the bbc reporters have been wounded in such attack and his interpretor killed).

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lesser
  Feb 9, 08, 03:45  #46

This is stupid witch hunt, where are those who made these orders? How other soldiers should behave if they already know that they should carefully analyze validity of every order before start shooting? Such army have not right to be victorious.

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BubbaWoo
  Feb 9, 08, 04:01  #47

rafik wrote:
and obviously they are always right...


dont be silly, of course the prosecution arent always right... thats how people get acquitted

rafik wrote:
they have been shot at.they shot back using a machine gun and mortar.still,the prosecutor belives that they lie about the shooting


if the evidence shows they legitimately responded to an attack then whats the big deal about... unless of course you fear the evidence has been concocted in order to prove them guilty just because they are polish... a la jakub...

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Grzegorz_
  Feb 9, 08, 04:15  #48

BubbaWoo wrote:
the evidence has been concocted in order to prove them guilty just because they are polish


The whole thing is internal Polish problem (Afghanis wanted 3 goats and Yanks don't give a damn) so your "joke" is sh*it. I don't know why this case went so far, probably someone in the army/politics had some business to start It.

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BubbaWoo
  Feb 9, 08, 04:38  #49

Grzegorz_ wrote:
so your "joke" is sh*it.


machine gun and mortar attack on civilians is not a joke...

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rafik
  Feb 9, 08, 05:10  #50

BubbaWoo wrote:
are polish... a la jakub...

cmon dont be pathetic...
BubbaWoo wrote:
attack on civilians

how do you tell them apart.mortars are used to shoot objects far away.same goes to a machine gun.you just can't tell the taliban and civilians ahead unless you see them 10meters from you..

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BubbaWoo
  Feb 9, 08, 05:22  #51

rafik wrote:
how do you tell them apart.mortars are used to shoot objects far away.same goes to a machine gun.you just can't tell the taliban and civilians ahead unless you see them 10meters from you..


are you sure you wanted to say that?

it reads suspiciously like civilian casualties just dont matter

if thats the same attitude as the polish military then there is good reason for them to be prosecuted

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Grzegorz_
  Feb 9, 08, 06:44  #52

BubbaWoo wrote:

machine gun and mortar attack on civilians is not a joke...


Yours, Yanks and others do that all the time. They just don't admit It. I don't know why this case was publicised, like I said probably somebody had some business in It.

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rafik
  Feb 9, 08, 07:22  #53

BubbaWoo wrote:
it reads suspiciously like civilian casualties just dont matter

they DO matter.do talibans wear uniforms?if you are shot at.do you want to go and ask who is a civilian and who is not?using a human shield is well known in such countries like afganistan,irak,palestine.

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rafik
Edited by: rafik  Feb 9, 08, 09:29  #54

btw.
compare these two cases and tell me what you think;
1.killing in afganistan and
2.this- http://lmtonline.com/news/archive/020498/pagea11.pdf
this pilot was cleared of any wrongdoing by the court in the usa.extraditon for a trial in europe was refused.how do you feel about that?

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Crow
Edited by: Crow  Feb 9, 08, 09:34  #55

Filios1 wrote:
If it comes to that, that barbaric Muslims from the south begin to trouble the Serbians, true slavs, and Serbs stay quiet, I will myself travel there and help in your conflict. Do not worry Crow, everything will be o.k.

So, you suggest that Serbs sit and wait, while NATO taking 15% of Serbian territory and Poles would come and fight Serbian battles instead of Serbians?

Brate, i respect you but its not serous approach.

Filios1 wrote:
Crow, Poles are better friends to you than Russians.

You both are OUR kin nations. We Serbs insist on that.

Kosovo crisis would show to Poland and Russia must cooperate to mutually respond on increasing German threat.

isthatu wrote:

Crow wrote:
What you know about Srebrenica, Brit one?

that your serb heros lined up boys as young as 13 and shot them in the back of the head for a start...sicko.

ooo, you won`t sell me your BS.

If some criminal did some crime, he would pay- that for sure. Serbian people would judge to criminals. What is important- nor Serbian state nor any Serbian institution didn`t take part in crimes as even International court confirmed. BUT, those who massacred Serbs had institutional and ideological background with intentions and plan to exterminate and ethnically cleansed Serbs.

Its not Serbs who started. Its Albanians, Bosnian Muslims, Greater Croatia, Arabic mujaheedines, NATO and EU who started. Serbs defended themselves

isthatu wrote:
the men in white coats are coming......What on earth do you think Britain has to gain in seeking some sort of collapse of Slavdem? Your,Im sorry to say,absolutly bonkers,did a Nato bomb go off to close to your brain box maybe,knock a few wires loose?If so well maybe your irationality is something to be pitied not mocked....

No, NATO bombs didn`t brake me. Ja sam Srbin (I am Serb) and I am still capable to tell simple truth...

Many do not like the Slavs, and it would not profit them for the Slavs to rise up. But only God is the real judge, and he will judge accordingly. Slavs and all peoples who have been in chains of oppression and outside manipulation will break free!

isthatu wrote:
your a fekin nutjob,Im half irish

i refuse to believe that you could be Irish. Serbs greatly respect brave Irish resistance to English hegemony and you ishtatu don`t sound to me as Irish

But, we also heard that official Ireland failed to support Serbian rights to be equal with other Balkans. What a great failure

If you are at least partly Irish, Scordisc in me calling you to support Serbian struggle for independence and sovereignty. It is just and you must be aware of it. I call you to avoid to fall in treachery!

Freedom for Ireland! Freedom for Serbia! Down with England! Down with mujaheedines!

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BubbaWoo
  Feb 9, 08, 09:50  #56

rafik wrote:
how do you feel about that?


outraged

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isthatu
  Feb 9, 08, 16:46  #57

Crow wrote:
didn`t take part in crimes as even International court confirmed.

plenty of nazis got off in 1947.....
Crow wrote:
Its not Serbs who started. Its Albanians, Bosnian Muslims, Greater Croatia, Arabic mujaheedines, NATO and EU who started. Serbs defended themselves

yeah,everyone else is guilty,you lot were saints....classic sign of a paranoid disorder...
Crow wrote:
and you ishtatu don`t sound to me as Irish

terty tree an a turd,fek arse girls.

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Crow
  Feb 9, 08, 17:41  #58

isthatu wrote:
Crow wrote:
and you ishtatu don`t sound to me as Irish

terty tree an a turd,fek arse girls.

bah

True Irish wouldn`t stub Scordisc in the back, nor would spread anti-Scordisc propaganda. Time remembered honor of Scordiscs. We didn`t change. We are still honest children of Mother Slavia

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isthatu
  Feb 10, 08, 09:58  #59

True irish wouldnt have a bleedin clue what a scordics was mate,sounds like some form of VD...your living in your own little fantasy land,thats fine,exept its the same land that hitler and his nut job racial specialists lived in...

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Crow
  Feb 13, 08, 06:58  #60

isthatu wrote:
True irish wouldnt have a bleedin clue what a scordics was mate,sounds like some form of VD...your living in your own little fantasy land,thats fine,exept its the same land that hitler and his nut job racial specialists lived in...

relax ishhhtatu, we are one the Net man, in virtual reality

look at me right now for example, i listening COCO JOMBO, Nami Tamaki`s- Believe and before that Fiction Junction YUUKA- Akastiki no Karuma and read in the same time your observations where you speak about Hitler....

what i want to say, relax man, live! Listen COCO JOMBO and don`t be so upset if Slavs speak openly about their heritage

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