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isthatu2
  Jun 16, 08, 11:54  #361

For a start it shows a certain double standard. I dont here any Poles saying,"no,eastern europeans arnt like that.." all I hear is,"Poland is not in eastern europe..." sorta like they are saying "well,your probably right about those pesky east europeans but were a better class of finacial emigrants coz were from central europe..."

 
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Grzegorz_
  Jun 16, 08, 12:01  #362

isthatu2:
"Poland is not in eastern europe..."


Because It isn't... The rest is just your Polonophobic imagination... Besides, If any of yours say "eastern europeans" there's 99.99% he thinks Poles, not Russians or Uks.

 
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Piorun
  Jun 16, 08, 12:03  #363

isthatu2:
" sorta like they are saying "well,your probably right about those pesky east europeans but were a better class of finacial emigrants coz were from central europe..."

Now you’re talking out of you Arse.
BTW I love my "Mizeria" so that bit is true.

 
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isthatu2
  Jun 16, 08, 12:14  #364

Grzegorz_:
Because It isn't...

yes it is,its eastern to this place.....
Grzegorz_:
Besides, If any of yours say "eastern europeans" there's 99.99% he thinks Poles, not Russians or Uks.

dont get your knickers in a twist,before you guys the "eastern europeans" were bosnians or kosovans....next years eastern europeans will be romanians and bulgars...
But,yourself and the wannabe Pole are missing the point,you carp on about negativity towards eastern europeans yet your only retort is ..we arnt from eastern but central europe....why not stick up for your neighbours a bit instead of giving the impresion its OK to slag off eastern europeans just as long as central europeans arnt involved?

 
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Seanus ♦ GOLD MEMBER
  Jun 16, 08, 12:21  #365

Geographically, central Europe. Politically, eastern Europe

 
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shopgirl
  Jun 16, 08, 13:39  #366

Polson?

Did you get you question answered, or should we go for another 300 posts to get it sorted out? :)

I would say central europe....hey right now Poland is on Central European Time, if this is wrong, then the whole country should should move to another time zone! hehe ;)

I call the movers and set up an appointment.

 
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noimmigration
  Jun 16, 08, 14:58  #367

poland is;

geographically - central europe

historically, politically, culturally, linguistically, racially - eastern europe

 
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Seanus ♦ GOLD MEMBER
  Jun 16, 08, 15:00  #368

I agree with that

 
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SeanBM
  Jun 16, 08, 15:10  #369

Jeezz lads do youz not know where youz are? ha ha ha.
isn't the centre of Europe in Lithuania, they have a monument and all, that'd make Poland western.
URL
Even at best Wikipedia is saying it is Suchowola, north of Białystok, in north-eastern Poland; and Toruń in the northern part of central Poland, that makes most of Poland south west.
Jeezz where am I???

 
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Seanus ♦ GOLD MEMBER
  Jun 16, 08, 15:12  #370

Some would say the centre of Europe is Prague

 
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SeanBM
  Jun 16, 08, 15:20  #371

Seanus:
Some would say the centre of Europe is Prague

I want a list of names

 
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Lukasz K
  Jun 17, 08, 03:48  #372

I don't want to argue but...

For me eastern Europe means the cultural ancestrors of Bizantine Empire with orthodox church, Greek (then changed) alphabet, Julian calendar etc..., and wide tracks...

For me regarding a caountry to be eastern European just becouse it was under Russian influence for 50 years is too simple conclusion....

I my opinion there is no straight line and even inside Poland when we consider for example Podlasie and Silesia there are big differences...

Lukasz

 
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Skoy
  Jun 17, 08, 04:30  #373

NEW Europe!

 
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telefonitika
  Jun 17, 08, 05:06  #374

It is considered a Central European country now :)

 
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southern
  Jun 17, 08, 07:43  #375

Lukasz K:
For me eastern Europe means the cultural ancestrors of Bizantine Empire with orthodox church,


This is Russia,not eastern Europe.A different culture.
For me Eastern Europe means Poland,CR,Slovakia,Hungary.This is hardcore eastern Europe.
Romania,Bulgaria,Serbia,Croatia etc are Balkans.
Russia,Belarus,Ukraine are russian,not european,not asian,in between.

 
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Christopherus
  Jul 4, 08, 05:00  #376

Why is the question so important? Having read most replies, there seems to be a tendency that Central Europe is somehow preferable. Why's that? Just because some of you say so? So, first we have to agree on what the cultural common denominator of such an entity should be, and that is, I'm afraid, quite impossible. Western vs. Eastern Christianity? Then Poland clearly is a Western country according to Samuel Huntington's influential "Clash of Civilizations", in contrast to both Islam and the Orthodox world. But with regards to an ethnic concept it could be defined as Eastern European ethnically and/or linguistically. Then, the concept of Central Europe is - at least historically - a German one: Defining herself arguably neither a Western nor a Slavic country, the German pre-Cold War elite referred to their sphere of influence as Mitteleuropa (lit. Central Europe) in sharp contrast to the Slavic "Eastern" sphere and the Western democracies. These and all the other cultural theories (like the Iron Curtain argument) are certainly challengeable, so let's agree that Poland is a hybrid, and that is - culturally and economically - by no means a disadvantage.

 
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randompal
  Jul 4, 08, 05:06  #377

Christopherus:
Why is the question so important? Having read most replies, there seems to be a tendency that Central Europe is somehow preferable. Why's that?

that's easy to answer - the West is seen as more successful and prestigious, and some Poles have long had an inferiority complex associated with that simple fact of life. The East is popularly seen as the land of the barbarians (read: Russians and Mongols).

Saying you live in Central Europe is a small cheap boost to pride, as it makes it sound like you are closer to the west. Saying you live in E Europe makes it sound like you live amongst the Ruskies. Not all Poles feel this way but this mindset isnt that rare.

 
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Dublinjohn
  Jul 4, 08, 11:01  #378

isthatu2:
yes it is,its eastern to this place.....

English are ya again?
isthatu2:
dont get your knickers in a twist,before you guys the "eastern europeans" were bosnians or kosovans....next years eastern europeans will be romanians and bulgars...
But,yourself and the wannabe Pole are missing the point,you carp on about negativity towards eastern europeans yet your only retort is ..we arnt from eastern but central europe....why not stick up for your neighbours a bit instead of giving the impresion its OK to slag off eastern europeans just as long as central europeans arnt involved?

That is rich coming from you, plastic paddy, you can give it eh? try taking your own advice. Sticking up for your neighbors.

 
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