POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country?

We aren't and with God's help we won't be.

I agree they are not

Poles did not betray their allies

Poles did not have a madman's dream about ruling most of Europe for 1000 years

Poles did not run away from attacking enemy nor did the offer Heil Hitler salutes to liberating forces (just in case they might be Germans)

Poles did not have grandiose dreams and then stumbled upon militarilly insignificant Greece.


So sure, there are differences.

Poles have great potential in the area of agriculture. They'd have flourished under the finer parts of the CAP. Nabiał/dairy here in Poland is fantastic and I say that as a Scot, so it's high praise for them. Andrzej Lepper didn't get a chance to raise their case. This is one of Poland's trump cards as a 'European' country

Don't bring WW2 again. I would rather say in this case - Poles can handle alcohol better and usually don't pi*s in their pants and don't vomit all over themselves unlike... some other people. And don't bow to some old woman and her homo looking son.

actually the uk and ireland has the best climatic system for agriculture in the eu. We can produce far more produce per sqaure hectare than any ther country in the eu. This is why we have such a huge surplus and our prices are kept very, very low and competative.

this is why france didnt originally want britain joing the eu

noimmigration wrote:
germany

Poles did not have a madman's dream about ruling most of Europe for 1000 years

how dare you say that about one of the biggest contributers in the eu, you have no right to bite the hand that feeds you.
poland is a country that takes and takes and has no right to criticise other countries that pour money into insignificant little countries like poland.

poland is a country that has always depended on bigger countries to defend them and support them, we saved them in ww2 and now we are supporting them and increasing their standard of living through eu investment.

poland has always had its begging bowl held under some nations nose, now it is being held under the eus nose

and as for the soviet union, better the soviets than the nazis. It is time you fough your own battles.

britain has built itself from no outside help.

I said that the Poles have potential, not that they surpass the UK and Ireland in the field of agriculture. It's a crying shame that the Poles pay their farmers peanuts unlike us in the UK and Ireland. They are so poor in places near Roztocze, offering their ware for heavily discounted prices.

Let's have a little look at this interesting statement - "Britain has built itself from no outside help "(noimmigration) - but through Lord Salisbury's eyes.
Lord Salisbury himself exposed the truth. "If our ancestors had cared for the rights of other people", he observed, "the British empire would not have been made." Its purpose was not to spread sweetness and light but to increase Britain's wealth and power. Naturally its coercive and exploitative nature must be disguised. Bamboozle was better than bamboo, he considered, and "as India must be bled, the bleeding should be done judiciously."
Excerpt taken from : A Moral Audit of the British Empire

those countries ruled under the british empire, benefited hugely from the empire

Okay then Portuguese and English are the same language ?...



Hmm...Germany, Prussia, Sweden, Austria ? If they are eastern for you then i agree, Poland is extrem-east ;)



Again wrong, Poland is a so-called "eastern country" only when refering to the Cold War, and the Warsaw Pact. The rest of the time, Poland is a Central European country.



Hehe totally agree ;) For noimmigration, Western Europeans are like Aryens and the "rest" are lower societies...



YOU are pathetic, Poland is said to be a Central European country, wether it pleases you or not.



What's the common point between Italy and Britain ?...Denmark and Spain ?...
The only difference is as you said the standard of living. Why ? Cause Poland was behind the Iron Curtain. That's your definition of "eastern Europe", ex-communist states.



Actually, Prague is a more western city than the capital city of Austria, Vienna, which closest big neighbour is Bratislava.



Please, the so-called hand that "feeds" Polish people, owes Poland something since they wanted them to die, since those wars, since all that centuries of trouble...
I like Germany, Germans are a nice people, but don't start to treat Poles like pigeons, that'd be really stupid.



Hei Adolf, didn't know you were on the forum tonight. Btw, Poland is bigger than England, Scotland...oh, yeah, they are not countries, sorry...



So "always" for you means last 50 years ? Are you that stupid ? Poland used to be a great empire too, but seems you don't know much history before 1945...I think you don't know what you're talking about, so please, get some books, check some Wikipedia articles, and then we could talk (maybe).



Crap.

polson I have gave evidence that poland is eastern european culturally, historically, politically, economically etc etc. it is FACT.

all western media and information resources describe the polish as eastern european, whenever me and my friends talk about the polish we talk about them as eastern european and so does the rest of the world.

central european is ONLY a geographical term. why dont you take your pathetic little fight up with the united nations and nato.

eastern europe in pink (united nations map) -



the michelin travel guide _


Poland and Budget Travel
Eastern Europe is still a good option if you're a budget traveler, even though the post-Soviet era of dirt-cheap shopping, dining, and lodging is long gone. Moscow is consistently one of the world's most expensive cities, Prague's prices are rising, and even Warsay is seeing an increase in rates for everything from food to clothing. However, Poland is still a decent bet if you want a classic Eastern Europe travel experience at a price that won't require you to sell body parts on the black market. Mark Kahler, About.com's Guide to Budget Travel, describes some of his experiences while traveling in Poland in an article about the euro.

You may also benefit from Eastern Europe Travel Tips, which will help you stretch every dollar, euro, or unit of local currency that you spend.

I don't see the fact, dude. Historically, Poland fought against Germany, and Russia. Against Sweden and Turkey (Ottoma Emp.). Who is the closest ally ?...France was a great ally, as was Britain (and still both are, i guess...)
Apart from the language, don't see how you can classify Poland as Eastern and not Central, Central is now commonly used, not only geographically.



Don't know how are the medias on Britain, but it's the same (apparently) in France. Central is used as often as Eastern, and maybe more (i'd say more).
Depends also on what radio or TV you watch : SS Radio or Panzer TV ;)

you are eastern european, every article I read on polish, ukranian, slovakian, bulgarian, romanian immigrants describes them as eastern european.

I dont care how many times you try to convince us you are not, I know and everyone in britain I speak to regards you as eastern european.

okay I give up, you are central europeans, with eastern european cultures, language, history, ideology, politics, etc

happy now lol

And... ?

I didn't think the talking clock had an opinion...

In all seriousness, you're getting too excited with this noimmigration. Some people say central, some say eastern...some just say European...

If u want to be sure noimmigration, do a contrastive study between Poland and Ukraine. Few, if any, would doubt that Ukraine is an Eastern European country. If u can convince PF members that Poland is distinct in the ways u outlined then u have a good case

Who are you talking about ?...



Actually my father comes from extrem-western France and my mother from extrem-western Poland... ;)



I think Ukrainians, Bulgarians and Romanians are Eastern Europeans. Poles and Slovaks no.



Actually Polish culture is a mix of Western and Eastern cultures, language is Slavic then more Eastern, i must say, but influenced by many "Western" languages...History is known for being very mixed too. Politics ? Liberalism is Eastern politic ?...




Sure i am ;)

a mix of western culture, I dont thinkso the soviet union only fell in 1989. poland is in NO way liberla. It is very conservative and overly religious unlike the mainly non religious west.

Bulgarians and Romanians are Balkans.Totally different heritage from Ukraine.
I consider Ukraine as FSU country,former Soviet Union.It has many similarities to other FSU countries like Belarus and Russia.

I agree with southern, Bulgarians and Romanians are more Balkan. OK, they were poor but so are African countries, that doesn't make then Eastern European. Lithuania and Latvia are classic Eastern European countries, even Azerbaijan/Kazakstan etc

Actually it is now.



Portugal, Ireland ?...Even Italy. Maybe not as conservative but religious.



Yeah, i must say that i was more reserved about these 2 countries...

Poland is more liberal in the sense that fewer and fewer people are practising Catholics. After the death of JPII, the numbers have steadily declined. Scotland is very religious too, Catholics AND Protestants. What about the Anglican church?

church rates in scotland are as few as 10 % church attendance, mainly by the elderly. yeah very religious indeed.

scots define themselves as catholics and athiest not because of religion but because of political reaosns and sectarianism

U don't have to be a church-goer to be religious. Where did u pull 10% from? Those people who go shopping on a Sunday or do sth with their families instead of going to church still believe in God. Bibles are allowed in households u know!?

Exactly what i've been thinking Seanus ;)

You have a point noimmigration about sectarianism. But Scotland isn't NI. How do u know what these people really believe? Have u interviewed them?

That is completely irrelevant.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/pl.ht ml#Geo

What is wrong with eastern european term?It sounds exotic,something different.

Eastern European may drum up images of poor people but it is something different. The current European climate is towards harmonisation so why make divisions like west/central/east? It may just serve to show extended participation in a collective European agenda

Eastern European means a popular touristic destination.Everybody is fed up with the West.